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	<title>Comments on: Suggestions For My UMC Friends (Part 1)</title>
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		<title>By: Randy</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-172732</link>
		<dc:creator>Randy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Mar 2011 12:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us not forget that Christ gave life to those who were dead, stagnant, legalistic, old, etc. He can do the same for those types of churches if he so chooses.

 "People are more likely to join a new mission rather than an old denomination."--&#62;So what? Why are we always so quick to be pragmatic? I could say that crackheads are more likely to join a church that hands out free drug money but that doesn't make it right or good. New isn't necessarily better or old necessarily worse...and vice-versa. I'm truly not trying to throw stones, just want us to consider our source of power--Jesus, not human plans or strategies. Btw, I totally agree with you when you say that you 'don’t think advertisements that promote a denomination are the best plan'. We should only be promoting Jesus Christ. Soli Deo Gloria</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us not forget that Christ gave life to those who were dead, stagnant, legalistic, old, etc. He can do the same for those types of churches if he so chooses.</p>
<p> &#8220;People are more likely to join a new mission rather than an old denomination.&#8221;&#8211;&gt;So what? Why are we always so quick to be pragmatic? I could say that crackheads are more likely to join a church that hands out free drug money but that doesn&#8217;t make it right or good. New isn&#8217;t necessarily better or old necessarily worse&#8230;and vice-versa. I&#8217;m truly not trying to throw stones, just want us to consider our source of power&#8211;Jesus, not human plans or strategies. Btw, I totally agree with you when you say that you &#8216;don’t think advertisements that promote a denomination are the best plan&#8217;. We should only be promoting Jesus Christ. Soli Deo Gloria</p>
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		<title>By: brisbane church</title>
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		<dc:creator>brisbane church</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Oct 2010 11:49:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your post is really heaps informative for those who can't understand at first, great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your post is really heaps informative for those who can&#8217;t understand at first, great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor T</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-171539</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastor T</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 01:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been placed in an appointment that is killing me.  I have had more headaches and sleepless nights since being appointed (three years ago) than I had in my whole life combined before the appointment.  I want change, the church likes itself the way it is--so I have been very nicely and politely ignored.  With the exception of a few people who want change and they are leaving.  Sometimes Pastors can kill a church but sometimes a church can kill a Pastor.  I wonder how many UMC Pastors there are who have been crushed by congregations that nicely and politely ignored them?  It is so much less painful to start a new church than to change an old church comfortable and set in its ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been placed in an appointment that is killing me.  I have had more headaches and sleepless nights since being appointed (three years ago) than I had in my whole life combined before the appointment.  I want change, the church likes itself the way it is&#8211;so I have been very nicely and politely ignored.  With the exception of a few people who want change and they are leaving.  Sometimes Pastors can kill a church but sometimes a church can kill a Pastor.  I wonder how many UMC Pastors there are who have been crushed by congregations that nicely and politely ignored them?  It is so much less painful to start a new church than to change an old church comfortable and set in its ways.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus Alfonzo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gus Alfonzo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 03 May 2010 01:11:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've never understood the concept of church advertising. What do you advertise? The facilities? The style of music? The size of the parking lot? The comfort of the worship area? The quality of the coffee? IMHO, if there were a need for a church to advertise, the most effective advertising from which a church can benefit is akin to the Samaritan woman's reaction after meeting Jesus face to face (John 4): "Come and see a man...!" Is there really any better reason to gather in a building referred to as church? Indeed, Craig! People are more likely to want to see and experience for themselves the source of living water, of transforming power evident in those who have touched by the better Life Jesus offers (John 4:42), but we in the UMC are all about investing in the well, perhaps even making its water more accessible to everyone since it is so deep.

The RethinkChurch campaign seemed to me more like a high-level PR campaign, aimed at changing the image of the UMC as being more "in tune" with current spiritual winds; even if it had succeeded at a denominational level, it does not seem to have had the intended effect on its own constituents. While there are some local UMC churches that are the exceptions, the majority of the local UMC churches continue to drink the well waters of status quo. I believe the $20 million would have had a far greater impact for the Kingdom of God if it had been used in retooling the local UMC churches in the lost art of making disciples, baptizing them, and teaching them to obey everything Jesus commanded us. That's the "organic advertising" of the first century church.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never understood the concept of church advertising. What do you advertise? The facilities? The style of music? The size of the parking lot? The comfort of the worship area? The quality of the coffee? IMHO, if there were a need for a church to advertise, the most effective advertising from which a church can benefit is akin to the Samaritan woman&#8217;s reaction after meeting Jesus face to face (John 4): &#8220;Come and see a man&#8230;!&#8221; Is there really any better reason to gather in a building referred to as church? Indeed, Craig! People are more likely to want to see and experience for themselves the source of living water, of transforming power evident in those who have touched by the better Life Jesus offers (John 4:42), but we in the UMC are all about investing in the well, perhaps even making its water more accessible to everyone since it is so deep.</p>
<p>The RethinkChurch campaign seemed to me more like a high-level PR campaign, aimed at changing the image of the UMC as being more &#8220;in tune&#8221; with current spiritual winds; even if it had succeeded at a denominational level, it does not seem to have had the intended effect on its own constituents. While there are some local UMC churches that are the exceptions, the majority of the local UMC churches continue to drink the well waters of status quo. I believe the $20 million would have had a far greater impact for the Kingdom of God if it had been used in retooling the local UMC churches in the lost art of making disciples, baptizing them, and teaching them to obey everything Jesus commanded us. That&#8217;s the &#8220;organic advertising&#8221; of the first century church.</p>
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		<title>By: Glenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Glenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Apr 2010 19:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, your thoughts on the UMC intrigue me greatly.  I am in a denominational church, as you were.  The name doesn't need to be mentioned, but it's draining me.  3 years ago, I graduated from a seminary that is outside of my current denomination and the hoops I am still jumping through before ordination are many.  I feel like the denomination is grasping at straws, trying to figure out why we're not growing and I feel like I'm growing weary.  I love my church.  I love the people God has entrusted into my care.  But I feel so out of place in the denomination.  I appreciate your thoughts in these few blogs on the UMC.  Thanks for sharing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, your thoughts on the UMC intrigue me greatly.  I am in a denominational church, as you were.  The name doesn&#8217;t need to be mentioned, but it&#8217;s draining me.  3 years ago, I graduated from a seminary that is outside of my current denomination and the hoops I am still jumping through before ordination are many.  I feel like the denomination is grasping at straws, trying to figure out why we&#8217;re not growing and I feel like I&#8217;m growing weary.  I love my church.  I love the people God has entrusted into my care.  But I feel so out of place in the denomination.  I appreciate your thoughts in these few blogs on the UMC.  Thanks for sharing.</p>
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		<title>By: A Local Pastor</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-170663</link>
		<dc:creator>A Local Pastor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 14:01:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a more detailed post to one I posted earlier:

What amazes me is that there is plenty of research that shows that advertising is an ineffective means of reaching people for Christ. (With one giant flushing sound, $20,000,000 was wasted.) 
Most people become involved in churches, as you point out, because they want to be a part of a cause or a movement. I would revise this to say, that they want to be involved where there is life. And the life that is most effective at attracting people to the church is this: personal relationships made by mission minded members are the key to attracting people into church life. Mission minded members are those who extend hospitality/fellowship beyond their church doors on Sunday mornings. They don’t just invite people to come to the next potluck or special program. Rather than inviting people to come to church, they take the church to the people. They are the Church to the people. I would call this personal outreach, i.e. each of us serving as the ministers God has called us all to be. The old philosophy of “You build it and they will come,” no longer works. People are most attracted to our mission when the we—the People of God—are engaged in life beyond their walls and in a way that says to them that we care and want to serve you in love and grace.
However, I don't fully agree with your generalized observation that "Starting new churches is easier than revitalizing old churches." This may be true in metropolitan churches. In the UMC the life blood continues to be the rural, small membership churches. Unlike metro-churches, smaller churches, which often cannot afford to pay full-time pastors, more faithfully pay their apportionments. I believe this is reflective of a deep commitment among rural people to their churches, communities and their way of life.
The biggest problems confronting rural churches are aging populations, the declining ratio of children to adults (i.e. we are not having enough children to replace our population in US and western societies), and the lack of jobs. However, many urbanites and retirees are moving to rural areas in search of a quieter and less hectic way of life. Therefore, the UMC should focus its financial resources to helping the rural churches learn how to reach out to those who move into their communities and to cope with other demographic issues I mentioned. That is, $20,000,000 could be used to field mission minded full-time pastors into these areas—and not just the urban-minded ordained but those who have a heart for rural communities and the rural way of life—those who want to be a part of the land and the culture they serve. The leadership of the UMC needs to recognize that their own backyard is their mission field. If they don’t work to revitalize the rural churches, they’re essentially cutting off the hands that feed them, and the UMC will soon die on the vine.
Jesus did not call us to go into world to build nice, comfy, expensive, debt laden church buildings. He didn’t call us to go into the world and become political activists for left or right wing causes. He did not call us to get involved in causes that promotes policies that get the government to do what we’ve been called to do. He called US—the CHURCH—to make disciples and to feed his lambs—spiritually and physically. The fact that those who made the decision to waste $20,000,000 on advertising is proof of just how out of touch with reality many of our Bishops and other church leaders are. We talk a lot about social justice in the UMC, as well we should. But not one of those 20,000,000 dollars wasted to advertise the Church has fed one lamb.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a more detailed post to one I posted earlier:</p>
<p>What amazes me is that there is plenty of research that shows that advertising is an ineffective means of reaching people for Christ. (With one giant flushing sound, $20,000,000 was wasted.)<br />
Most people become involved in churches, as you point out, because they want to be a part of a cause or a movement. I would revise this to say, that they want to be involved where there is life. And the life that is most effective at attracting people to the church is this: personal relationships made by mission minded members are the key to attracting people into church life. Mission minded members are those who extend hospitality/fellowship beyond their church doors on Sunday mornings. They don’t just invite people to come to the next potluck or special program. Rather than inviting people to come to church, they take the church to the people. They are the Church to the people. I would call this personal outreach, i.e. each of us serving as the ministers God has called us all to be. The old philosophy of “You build it and they will come,” no longer works. People are most attracted to our mission when the we—the People of God—are engaged in life beyond their walls and in a way that says to them that we care and want to serve you in love and grace.<br />
However, I don&#8217;t fully agree with your generalized observation that &#8220;Starting new churches is easier than revitalizing old churches.&#8221; This may be true in metropolitan churches. In the UMC the life blood continues to be the rural, small membership churches. Unlike metro-churches, smaller churches, which often cannot afford to pay full-time pastors, more faithfully pay their apportionments. I believe this is reflective of a deep commitment among rural people to their churches, communities and their way of life.<br />
The biggest problems confronting rural churches are aging populations, the declining ratio of children to adults (i.e. we are not having enough children to replace our population in US and western societies), and the lack of jobs. However, many urbanites and retirees are moving to rural areas in search of a quieter and less hectic way of life. Therefore, the UMC should focus its financial resources to helping the rural churches learn how to reach out to those who move into their communities and to cope with other demographic issues I mentioned. That is, $20,000,000 could be used to field mission minded full-time pastors into these areas—and not just the urban-minded ordained but those who have a heart for rural communities and the rural way of life—those who want to be a part of the land and the culture they serve. The leadership of the UMC needs to recognize that their own backyard is their mission field. If they don’t work to revitalize the rural churches, they’re essentially cutting off the hands that feed them, and the UMC will soon die on the vine.<br />
Jesus did not call us to go into world to build nice, comfy, expensive, debt laden church buildings. He didn’t call us to go into the world and become political activists for left or right wing causes. He did not call us to get involved in causes that promotes policies that get the government to do what we’ve been called to do. He called US—the CHURCH—to make disciples and to feed his lambs—spiritually and physically. The fact that those who made the decision to waste $20,000,000 on advertising is proof of just how out of touch with reality many of our Bishops and other church leaders are. We talk a lot about social justice in the UMC, as well we should. But not one of those 20,000,000 dollars wasted to advertise the Church has fed one lamb.</p>
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		<title>By: Bro Stephen Webb</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bro Stephen Webb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Apr 2010 12:03:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey I like your idea very much.  I would like to read more of what you have to say.  The Institution, which the UMC now for the most part needs to be laid to rest and go back to the movement it once was... I don't think Mr. Wesley would like what he would see now as I don't think it was his vision.  Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey I like your idea very much.  I would like to read more of what you have to say.  The Institution, which the UMC now for the most part needs to be laid to rest and go back to the movement it once was&#8230; I don&#8217;t think Mr. Wesley would like what he would see now as I don&#8217;t think it was his vision.  Steve</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Knapp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike Knapp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 21 Mar 2010 04:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm form "the other" much less known Methodist church, the Free Methodist Church.  I liked the rethink campaign, thought it was well done; it didn't really help any of the churches whose pastors I know personally.  I am also a church planter, so I naturally agree with the thought of putting more into planting new churches :)  I believe that those new churches would connect many more new Christ followers than the ads will.  Nice article, Craig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m form &#8220;the other&#8221; much less known Methodist church, the Free Methodist Church.  I liked the rethink campaign, thought it was well done; it didn&#8217;t really help any of the churches whose pastors I know personally.  I am also a church planter, so I naturally agree with the thought of putting more into planting new churches :)  I believe that those new churches would connect many more new Christ followers than the ads will.  Nice article, Craig.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastor Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pastor Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Mar 2010 14:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I for one think this campaign is good.  I perceive in it a focus on social causes, with the denominational "plug" kept in the background.  What I particularly like is the way that it addresses venues attended by people who appreciate noble causes (e.g., NPR &#38; National Geographic).  Also, I find it interesting that the lectionary for this week includes John 12:1-8, in which Judas asks "Why was this perfume not sold and the money given to the poor?"  Yes, the UMC spent $20M on "advertizing".  But how much does it give to various needs throughout the world?  In 2008, UMCOR alone provided $93.3M in relief aid.  Throw in other organizations the UMC supports (e.g., Society of St. Andrews), and the direct aid provided by local churches, and I suspect the number would be rather large.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I for one think this campaign is good.  I perceive in it a focus on social causes, with the denominational &#8220;plug&#8221; kept in the background.  What I particularly like is the way that it addresses venues attended by people who appreciate noble causes (e.g., NPR &amp; National Geographic).  Also, I find it interesting that the lectionary for this week includes John 12:1-8, in which Judas asks &#8220;Why was this perfume not sold and the money given to the poor?&#8221;  Yes, the UMC spent $20M on &#8220;advertizing&#8221;.  But how much does it give to various needs throughout the world?  In 2008, UMCOR alone provided $93.3M in relief aid.  Throw in other organizations the UMC supports (e.g., Society of St. Andrews), and the direct aid provided by local churches, and I suspect the number would be rather large.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Pichaske</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Pichaske</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Mar 2010 02:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've been a United Methodist pastor for the past 7+ years, and have to admit that I've had my share of moments where I have been critical of the denominational decision-making.  I have certainly been disappointed in our relative inability to birth new churches while focusing so heavily on trying to rescue dying congregations.  It's never seemed like the best use of either our financial or people resources...

That said, I'm willing to defend the Rethink Church initiative.  Yes, it cost a lot of money. If there's one thing I'm proud of as a United Methodist, however, it's the amount of financial resources the denomination puts into worldwide missions, relief work, AND evangelism. In fact, I think the denomination's worldwide missional focus certainly represents a "cause" that represents a bridge to faith for many.

Moreover, the Rethink campaign was designed as much to help the churches of the denomination rally around a common purpose as it was about providing television commercials for the unchurched American population. Adam Hamilton for the United Methodist Church of the Resurrection preached a terrific sermon series focused on the principals from the Rethink campaign.  If more United Methodist Church leaders and parishioners "caught the vision," we'd consider this $20 million money well spent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been a United Methodist pastor for the past 7+ years, and have to admit that I&#8217;ve had my share of moments where I have been critical of the denominational decision-making.  I have certainly been disappointed in our relative inability to birth new churches while focusing so heavily on trying to rescue dying congregations.  It&#8217;s never seemed like the best use of either our financial or people resources&#8230;</p>
<p>That said, I&#8217;m willing to defend the Rethink Church initiative.  Yes, it cost a lot of money. If there&#8217;s one thing I&#8217;m proud of as a United Methodist, however, it&#8217;s the amount of financial resources the denomination puts into worldwide missions, relief work, AND evangelism. In fact, I think the denomination&#8217;s worldwide missional focus certainly represents a &#8220;cause&#8221; that represents a bridge to faith for many.</p>
<p>Moreover, the Rethink campaign was designed as much to help the churches of the denomination rally around a common purpose as it was about providing television commercials for the unchurched American population. Adam Hamilton for the United Methodist Church of the Resurrection preached a terrific sermon series focused on the principals from the Rethink campaign.  If more United Methodist Church leaders and parishioners &#8220;caught the vision,&#8221; we&#8217;d consider this $20 million money well spent.</p>
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		<title>By: A Local Pastor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Local Pastor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 02:31:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Church advertising is a waste of money. Very few people are motivated to visit a church based on advertisments of any kind. Most come in response to personal relationships formed with members through ministry and community involvment. Pay attention to this if you're one of those who made this lame decision: Advertising is NOT ministry! The millions wasted by the UMC could have been used in ways to train and field more pastors who want to revitalize existing churches or plant new ones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Church advertising is a waste of money. Very few people are motivated to visit a church based on advertisments of any kind. Most come in response to personal relationships formed with members through ministry and community involvment. Pay attention to this if you&#8217;re one of those who made this lame decision: Advertising is NOT ministry! The millions wasted by the UMC could have been used in ways to train and field more pastors who want to revitalize existing churches or plant new ones.</p>
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		<title>By: manolito garcia</title>
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		<dc:creator>manolito garcia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Feb 2010 14:37:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>my sudgestion regsrding that financial rroblem is the sacrifice of every pastor like they didnt  take her allowance from the church i know that every pastor have allowance from the church of 4,000 to 6,000 it is big help to the church if the dont take her allowance from the church and aks to the other member continuing praying to god for his new site or church the most of thenm is to sacrifice of every pastor dont take any amount from the church . may good lord blees us and keep us  @ tolits garcia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>my sudgestion regsrding that financial rroblem is the sacrifice of every pastor like they didnt  take her allowance from the church i know that every pastor have allowance from the church of 4,000 to 6,000 it is big help to the church if the dont take her allowance from the church and aks to the other member continuing praying to god for his new site or church the most of thenm is to sacrifice of every pastor dont take any amount from the church . may good lord blees us and keep us  @ tolits garcia</p>
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		<title>By: Warren Carswell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Warren Carswell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Craig, thanks for your UMC post.  I've been a UMC pastor for over 15 yrs.  I grew up UMC and experienced a call into ordained ministry while a senior in High School (1987).  So, the long journey through the UMC Ordination process begun.  I had, and still have, a heart and passion for new church development and to "do something different," yet it was not practiced in the S. GA conference.  Oh yeah, and I wasn't yet ordained either:)  While voicing my frustration to the hierarchy, I witnessed too many young pastors leave the UMC because of the lack of new church developments and the many "hoops" to jump through to be ordained.  Unfortunately, I'm witnessing it still today.  When I read your post, I was shocked to find out you were once UMC!  I said to myself, "Wow, the UMC lost another great leader because of the system."   I've enjoyed following you and your ministry.  I heard Andy Stanley credit you with saying, "To reach people that no one else is reaching you have to do what no one else is doing."  I've introduced that saying to my church and we are beginning to ask what it is that we can do!  Keep up the great and creativity.  I pray that the UMC can learn to do what no one else is doing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Craig, thanks for your UMC post.  I&#8217;ve been a UMC pastor for over 15 yrs.  I grew up UMC and experienced a call into ordained ministry while a senior in High School (1987).  So, the long journey through the UMC Ordination process begun.  I had, and still have, a heart and passion for new church development and to &#8220;do something different,&#8221; yet it was not practiced in the S. GA conference.  Oh yeah, and I wasn&#8217;t yet ordained either:)  While voicing my frustration to the hierarchy, I witnessed too many young pastors leave the UMC because of the lack of new church developments and the many &#8220;hoops&#8221; to jump through to be ordained.  Unfortunately, I&#8217;m witnessing it still today.  When I read your post, I was shocked to find out you were once UMC!  I said to myself, &#8220;Wow, the UMC lost another great leader because of the system.&#8221;   I&#8217;ve enjoyed following you and your ministry.  I heard Andy Stanley credit you with saying, &#8220;To reach people that no one else is reaching you have to do what no one else is doing.&#8221;  I&#8217;ve introduced that saying to my church and we are beginning to ask what it is that we can do!  Keep up the great and creativity.  I pray that the UMC can learn to do what no one else is doing!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Groeschel on the UMC &#171; deeply committed</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Groeschel on the UMC &#171; deeply committed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 16:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Groeschel on the UMC #1 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Craig Groeschel&#8217;s Take on the Methodist Church &#171; Purging my soul&#8230;one blog at a time.</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-168969</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Groeschel&#8217;s Take on the Methodist Church &#171; Purging my soul&#8230;one blog at a time.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 19:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/" rel="nofollow">http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-168961</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 14:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A friend of mine told me how much he liked the "Open hearts, open minds, open doors" ad campaign.  He said all churches should take this stance with regard to Christian evangelism and service.  I asked him if the campaign inspired him to seek out a UM church and worship there.  It had not and he had no intention of doing so.  I told him, since he is a marketing executive, that he of all people should weight this as the true effectiveness of a campaign.  I believe my friend just thinks of it as a public service message. I haven't done the research, but did that campaign bring many new worshipers to UM churches?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A friend of mine told me how much he liked the &#8220;Open hearts, open minds, open doors&#8221; ad campaign.  He said all churches should take this stance with regard to Christian evangelism and service.  I asked him if the campaign inspired him to seek out a UM church and worship there.  It had not and he had no intention of doing so.  I told him, since he is a marketing executive, that he of all people should weight this as the true effectiveness of a campaign.  I believe my friend just thinks of it as a public service message. I haven&#8217;t done the research, but did that campaign bring many new worshipers to UM churches?</p>
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		<title>By: Groeschel&#8217;s Advice to the UMC er uh SBC &#124; The Edge of the Inside</title>
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		<dc:creator>Groeschel&#8217;s Advice to the UMC er uh SBC &#124; The Edge of the Inside</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 03:19:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the SBC last night. I could not help but think Craig Groeschel typed the wrong letters when he began a series of suggestions for the UMC. It may well have been we should have invited Craig to speak to the GCRTF of the UMC SBC. He closes [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the SBC last night. I could not help but think Craig Groeschel typed the wrong letters when he began a series of suggestions for the UMC. It may well have been we should have invited Craig to speak to the GCRTF of the UMC SBC. He closes [...]</p>
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		<title>By: DJ Berges</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-168946</link>
		<dc:creator>DJ Berges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 20:29:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a UMC, but still, these recomendatiosn are good for ANY denomitation.

Specially in Latin churches-denominations.

Learning alot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a UMC, but still, these recomendatiosn are good for ANY denomitation.</p>
<p>Specially in Latin churches-denominations.</p>
<p>Learning alot!</p>
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		<title>By: Chad Stuart</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-168940</link>
		<dc:creator>Chad Stuart</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 18:22:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for these insights Craig.  I am a pastor in the Seventh-day Adventist denomination even more structured and bureaucratic than the UMC, so I am interested in reading and gleaning some insights for the ministry God has for me as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for these insights Craig.  I am a pastor in the Seventh-day Adventist denomination even more structured and bureaucratic than the UMC, so I am interested in reading and gleaning some insights for the ministry God has for me as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Holdeman</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2010/02/22/suggestions-for-my-umc-friends-part-1/comment-page-1/#comment-168930</link>
		<dc:creator>Gary Holdeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 13:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Craig...I don't know if you are responding to my request or someone elses...but I appreciate your willingness to share with us.  My Son and Daughter in law in K.C. watch you every Sunday and they really appreciate your ministry.  I am looking forward to your other comments.  Blessings,  Gary</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Craig&#8230;I don&#8217;t know if you are responding to my request or someone elses&#8230;but I appreciate your willingness to share with us.  My Son and Daughter in law in K.C. watch you every Sunday and they really appreciate your ministry.  I am looking forward to your other comments.  Blessings,  Gary</p>
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