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		<title>By: When Edgy Becomes Offensive at neoLeader</title>
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		<dc:creator>When Edgy Becomes Offensive at neoLeader</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 04:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Rob Singleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob Singleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 May 2009 03:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am soooooooo glad to see you post this! This has long been a conviction of my heart! And those who know Southbrook Church -- know that we have tried a lot of edgy stuff in the 9 years of our existence but the recent trend of even sinning to get the attention or shock value we think is necessary is surely displeasing to the Lord--and incredibly cheesy to an onlooking world who just wonders why you don't come right out and 'say it' instead of cussing in Christianeze. Or should I say "Freakin Christianeze!" Sorry, couldn't resist.

Anyway, I felt so strongly about it that I made it my "One Prayer Video Message" even though I knew it would get passed over by some for this very reason. 

Honestly, I was a whole lot less offended by the early messages of Mark Drisscol letting one fly every now and then because the dude was so fresh off the streets then I am of pastors trying to look relevant and cool by working 5th grade humor into their messages just to win the high-school vote.

CRINGE

This post was refreshing to read. 

Edgy...YES

Irreverent...NO

Innovative...YES

Dorky...NO

Thanks for the challenge!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am soooooooo glad to see you post this! This has long been a conviction of my heart! And those who know Southbrook Church &#8212; know that we have tried a lot of edgy stuff in the 9 years of our existence but the recent trend of even sinning to get the attention or shock value we think is necessary is surely displeasing to the Lord&#8211;and incredibly cheesy to an onlooking world who just wonders why you don&#8217;t come right out and &#8217;say it&#8217; instead of cussing in Christianeze. Or should I say &#8220;Freakin Christianeze!&#8221; Sorry, couldn&#8217;t resist.</p>
<p>Anyway, I felt so strongly about it that I made it my &#8220;One Prayer Video Message&#8221; even though I knew it would get passed over by some for this very reason. </p>
<p>Honestly, I was a whole lot less offended by the early messages of Mark Drisscol letting one fly every now and then because the dude was so fresh off the streets then I am of pastors trying to look relevant and cool by working 5th grade humor into their messages just to win the high-school vote.</p>
<p>CRINGE</p>
<p>This post was refreshing to read. </p>
<p>Edgy&#8230;YES</p>
<p>Irreverent&#8230;NO</p>
<p>Innovative&#8230;YES</p>
<p>Dorky&#8230;NO</p>
<p>Thanks for the challenge!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Groeschel: Does Your Blog Offend? - ChurchCrunch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Groeschel: Does Your Blog Offend? - ChurchCrunch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 17:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Carrie</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/05/14/when-edgy-becomes-offensive/comment-page-1/#comment-164393</link>
		<dc:creator>Carrie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:40:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kendra- I'm with you friend. I've been reading all these comments and have been applying them to our ministry. Very good thoughts written here :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kendra- I&#8217;m with you friend. I&#8217;ve been reading all these comments and have been applying them to our ministry. Very good thoughts written here <img src='http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 13:09:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So proud of you for addressing this issue....I have been around a long time and love, love all the new tech ways of reaching people and understand the getting away from religious talk but I have really been hoping for the swing back to respecting the "pulpit" so to speak...some of the language is just silly and not effective at all...YEA CRAIG!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So proud of you for addressing this issue&#8230;.I have been around a long time and love, love all the new tech ways of reaching people and understand the getting away from religious talk but I have really been hoping for the swing back to respecting the &#8220;pulpit&#8221; so to speak&#8230;some of the language is just silly and not effective at all&#8230;YEA CRAIG!!</p>
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		<title>By: Tom E. Snyder</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/05/14/when-edgy-becomes-offensive/comment-page-1/#comment-164384</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom E. Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, let me just say I appreciate the progress you've made in this area since 2001. Some did take offense back then, especially in certain circles.

Craig, atta isch!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, let me just say I appreciate the progress you&#8217;ve made in this area since 2001. Some did take offense back then, especially in certain circles.</p>
<p>Craig, atta isch!</p>
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		<title>By: Diane</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 03:14:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that Romans 14:13-23 addresses this pretty well, surely?  The passage offers 'balance' for want of a better word on the matter of offence, and the caution we need to show for our brothers and sisters without becoming legalistic.  Sure, it talks about food. but the principle is valid for every occasion for offence.

In churches, we will get people who are looking for a reason to be offended, for sure, but we need to move from a position of love for the body of Christ, rather than being hip and edgy for the ske of it.  I don't doubt that people need to be challenged to live for Christ, but surely it's He who will draw the crowd if we raise Him up.

Unless, of course, you consider 'white-washed tombs' to be an offensive profanity.:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that Romans 14:13-23 addresses this pretty well, surely?  The passage offers &#8216;balance&#8217; for want of a better word on the matter of offence, and the caution we need to show for our brothers and sisters without becoming legalistic.  Sure, it talks about food. but the principle is valid for every occasion for offence.</p>
<p>In churches, we will get people who are looking for a reason to be offended, for sure, but we need to move from a position of love for the body of Christ, rather than being hip and edgy for the ske of it.  I don&#8217;t doubt that people need to be challenged to live for Christ, but surely it&#8217;s He who will draw the crowd if we raise Him up.</p>
<p>Unless, of course, you consider &#8216;white-washed tombs&#8217; to be an offensive profanity.:-)</p>
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		<title>By: Kendra Golden</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kendra Golden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lots of good comments, but I'm still crackin'up at #23 Manu Reyes' gun show comment. That's good clean fun for ya right there.

For me in children's ministry, the question is less about edgy or shocking and more about how many bodily noise jokes can I use to keep kids engaged without compromising the kids' ability to learn a personal application of God's Word. Although I've certainly ruffled some adult feathers (and will this weekend probably), I don't think I've ever offended a kid's sensibilities. I'm trying to apply all of the wisdom in these comments to discern how this can apply for me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of good comments, but I&#8217;m still crackin&#8217;up at #23 Manu Reyes&#8217; gun show comment. That&#8217;s good clean fun for ya right there.</p>
<p>For me in children&#8217;s ministry, the question is less about edgy or shocking and more about how many bodily noise jokes can I use to keep kids engaged without compromising the kids&#8217; ability to learn a personal application of God&#8217;s Word. Although I&#8217;ve certainly ruffled some adult feathers (and will this weekend probably), I don&#8217;t think I&#8217;ve ever offended a kid&#8217;s sensibilities. I&#8217;m trying to apply all of the wisdom in these comments to discern how this can apply for me.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Questions, Commentary Guides, &#38; Ministry Thoughts &#171; mattjudkins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Great Questions, Commentary Guides, &#38; Ministry Thoughts &#171; mattjudkins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 02:35:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Joe Ayala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Ayala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avery said - "The truth is that “where people are” who don’t know Christ , is on the pathway to hell, and “what they need” most is the message of the cross, and the salvation found in Christ…"

This is so true. Lets get an evangelism team going and get people to evangelize. 
Come onguys, Craig used Ray Comforts test, why wont you train members to evangelize! 
Look oh look at all the people, cant you see them drowning!
No More Marketing Jesus. 
Its Gospel Time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avery said - &#8220;The truth is that “where people are” who don’t know Christ , is on the pathway to hell, and “what they need” most is the message of the cross, and the salvation found in Christ…&#8221;</p>
<p>This is so true. Lets get an evangelism team going and get people to evangelize.<br />
Come onguys, Craig used Ray Comforts test, why wont you train members to evangelize!<br />
Look oh look at all the people, cant you see them drowning!<br />
No More Marketing Jesus.<br />
Its Gospel Time!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Ayala</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joe Ayala</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 May 2009 00:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hit the nail on the head. I think a good example of bad choices in this area is the promotion in sex series across the nation. Some pastors have gone too far. 
Its ironic about the language use also. 
John Piper had Mark Driscoll speak at the Desiring God conference on pastor language use and we know Mark is "grungy"&#60;-------Thats his own word. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hit the nail on the head. I think a good example of bad choices in this area is the promotion in sex series across the nation. Some pastors have gone too far.<br />
Its ironic about the language use also.<br />
John Piper had Mark Driscoll speak at the Desiring God conference on pastor language use and we know Mark is &#8220;grungy&#8221;&lt;&#8212;&#8212;-Thats his own word. <img src='http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Avery</title>
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		<dc:creator>Avery</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 23:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig...

Thanks for the messages this week... if you haven't already, you really should start a sermon series at your church about this...

I know the goal isn't about #'s, but the reaction from this series on your blog shows this is not only relevant, but interesting... and IMHO what people are crying out for deep, and inwardly... 

This message is so needed, because Church culture in America has changed so much and is ready for a &lt;b&gt;"swerve"&lt;/b&gt; in the right direction...upwards...

Thanks for preaching Christ, and teaching others not to forget to preach Christ also... because in the end it is all that matters...

Many of the critical reactions seemed to be pointing to reaching people at their "needs"... and meeting them "where they are"...

What has been lost in translation seems to be the reality of eternity in some cases...

The truth is that "where people are" who don't know Christ , is on the pathway to hell, and "what they need" most is the message of the cross, and the salvation found in Christ...

There will always be hungry, hurt, wounded, and broken people, as well as full, happy, and successful people... but all are headed to eternal destruction without Christ, and the salvation found in Him...

It is the difference between a band-aid on a papercut, and a sliced jugular...and I think we forget that sometimes....

Thanks for bringing an eternal perspective back to church culture in America... hope that God uses this to continue to lead... as He has in the past with you and LifeChurch.tv to impact churches globally... and eternally...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for the messages this week&#8230; if you haven&#8217;t already, you really should start a sermon series at your church about this&#8230;</p>
<p>I know the goal isn&#8217;t about #&#8217;s, but the reaction from this series on your blog shows this is not only relevant, but interesting&#8230; and IMHO what people are crying out for deep, and inwardly&#8230; </p>
<p>This message is so needed, because Church culture in America has changed so much and is ready for a <b>&#8220;swerve&#8221;</b> in the right direction&#8230;upwards&#8230;</p>
<p>Thanks for preaching Christ, and teaching others not to forget to preach Christ also&#8230; because in the end it is all that matters&#8230;</p>
<p>Many of the critical reactions seemed to be pointing to reaching people at their &#8220;needs&#8221;&#8230; and meeting them &#8220;where they are&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>What has been lost in translation seems to be the reality of eternity in some cases&#8230;</p>
<p>The truth is that &#8220;where people are&#8221; who don&#8217;t know Christ , is on the pathway to hell, and &#8220;what they need&#8221; most is the message of the cross, and the salvation found in Christ&#8230;</p>
<p>There will always be hungry, hurt, wounded, and broken people, as well as full, happy, and successful people&#8230; but all are headed to eternal destruction without Christ, and the salvation found in Him&#8230;</p>
<p>It is the difference between a band-aid on a papercut, and a sliced jugular&#8230;and I think we forget that sometimes&#8230;.</p>
<p>Thanks for bringing an eternal perspective back to church culture in America&#8230; hope that God uses this to continue to lead&#8230; as He has in the past with you and LifeChurch.tv to impact churches globally&#8230; and eternally&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: eugene cho</title>
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		<dc:creator>eugene cho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank for the recent posts.  Very simple but yet, encouraging and convicting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank for the recent posts.  Very simple but yet, encouraging and convicting.</p>
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		<title>By: Joshua Quigley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joshua Quigley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 19:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, and others who have commented.

In 32 years of "Christianity" there has been waves of fades.  In our quest to help others do battle with sin, we could tend to neglect our own.  Our choices are derived from experience, and the bigger question will this bring me pain or love.  You spoke at Catalyst about you becoming healed of your "addiction" of caring what people think about how you preach, I thought wow finally a real person doing God's work who is willing to expose some areas of his life.  On the other hand that may have offended somebody there as well who denially struggles with the same issue.  

I for one wrestle with my own sin, should I speak of it in the church it may offend somebody.  

The following scripture establishes the issues we face within the walls of the "Christian Church."

Matthew 11:18-19 18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, 'He has a demon.' 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom is proved right by her actions."

I struggle with the entire government of the Church because we could tend to fight the good fight more within the body.  I mean church leadership tends to be the worse of Christians, we have motives that please our selves, we use up peoples talents rather then pay them, we fire personnel for lack of perfection in life &#38; work, what about speaking behind one of the members.  So Christians could control what they but what controlling what they do and how they do it. 

just my thoughts.
Thanks,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, and others who have commented.</p>
<p>In 32 years of &#8220;Christianity&#8221; there has been waves of fades.  In our quest to help others do battle with sin, we could tend to neglect our own.  Our choices are derived from experience, and the bigger question will this bring me pain or love.  You spoke at Catalyst about you becoming healed of your &#8220;addiction&#8221; of caring what people think about how you preach, I thought wow finally a real person doing God&#8217;s work who is willing to expose some areas of his life.  On the other hand that may have offended somebody there as well who denially struggles with the same issue.  </p>
<p>I for one wrestle with my own sin, should I speak of it in the church it may offend somebody.  </p>
<p>The following scripture establishes the issues we face within the walls of the &#8220;Christian Church.&#8221;</p>
<p>Matthew 11:18-19 18For John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, &#8216;He has a demon.&#8217; 19The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, &#8216;Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and &#8220;sinners.&#8221; &#8216; But wisdom is proved right by her actions.&#8221;</p>
<p>I struggle with the entire government of the Church because we could tend to fight the good fight more within the body.  I mean church leadership tends to be the worse of Christians, we have motives that please our selves, we use up peoples talents rather then pay them, we fire personnel for lack of perfection in life &amp; work, what about speaking behind one of the members.  So Christians could control what they but what controlling what they do and how they do it. </p>
<p>just my thoughts.<br />
Thanks,</p>
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		<title>By: Sean Chandler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sean Chandler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:59:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Certainly there are some pastors going too far to be edgy, but on the flip side, you have a whole lot of Christians and pastors confusing moralism for holiness and purity. 

Every Christian radio station promotes itself as "safe, positive, and encouraging," but huge chunks of scripture are far from any of those terms.  Paul even states in 2 Timothy 3:12 "In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted."  I wouldn't call that positive, encouraging, or family-friendly, and  it certainly isn't safe.

It seems like we're more ok with people erring on the side of moralism and safe-Christianity than we are with people going too far to communicate the gospel. We're more ok with a Christianity which polishes things up to the point it contradicts Paul's take on Christianity than we are with a pastor who goes too far calling people to repentance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Certainly there are some pastors going too far to be edgy, but on the flip side, you have a whole lot of Christians and pastors confusing moralism for holiness and purity. </p>
<p>Every Christian radio station promotes itself as &#8220;safe, positive, and encouraging,&#8221; but huge chunks of scripture are far from any of those terms.  Paul even states in 2 Timothy 3:12 &#8220;In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted.&#8221;  I wouldn&#8217;t call that positive, encouraging, or family-friendly, and  it certainly isn&#8217;t safe.</p>
<p>It seems like we&#8217;re more ok with people erring on the side of moralism and safe-Christianity than we are with people going too far to communicate the gospel. We&#8217;re more ok with a Christianity which polishes things up to the point it contradicts Paul&#8217;s take on Christianity than we are with a pastor who goes too far calling people to repentance.</p>
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		<title>By: Dwight Meeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dwight Meeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 17:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice point on the "Without drifting to legalist rules" glad to know you got the point.

Another note is keeping things clean.  We can talk about life but we don't have include blood, guts and gore to get our point across.  Of course the Blood Of Jesus is always and will always be the exception but as for my previous sins those reside in the sea of forgetfulness!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice point on the &#8220;Without drifting to legalist rules&#8221; glad to know you got the point.</p>
<p>Another note is keeping things clean.  We can talk about life but we don&#8217;t have include blood, guts and gore to get our point across.  Of course the Blood Of Jesus is always and will always be the exception but as for my previous sins those reside in the sea of forgetfulness!</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Blandino</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/05/14/when-edgy-becomes-offensive/comment-page-1/#comment-164355</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Blandino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sometimes "purpose" and "edginess" get flipped around.  We should begin with the question, "What purpose am I trying to accomplish with this message?" rather than "How can I make this message edgy?"  (Message can refer to communication, a marketing piece, etc.)  When we begin with edginess we tend to hunt for shock value, which might actually detract from the purpose.  But when we begin with purpose, we adopt the best communication approach that will support the intended purpose.  Sometimes that approach will be more edgy than others, but should always be appropriate for the target audience.  Your statement that "The message of Christ and the cross is offensive.  But our language and attitude doesn't have to be" provides great wisdom.  Good post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sometimes &#8220;purpose&#8221; and &#8220;edginess&#8221; get flipped around.  We should begin with the question, &#8220;What purpose am I trying to accomplish with this message?&#8221; rather than &#8220;How can I make this message edgy?&#8221;  (Message can refer to communication, a marketing piece, etc.)  When we begin with edginess we tend to hunt for shock value, which might actually detract from the purpose.  But when we begin with purpose, we adopt the best communication approach that will support the intended purpose.  Sometimes that approach will be more edgy than others, but should always be appropriate for the target audience.  Your statement that &#8220;The message of Christ and the cross is offensive.  But our language and attitude doesn&#8217;t have to be&#8221; provides great wisdom.  Good post!</p>
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		<title>By: Manu Reyes</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/05/14/when-edgy-becomes-offensive/comment-page-1/#comment-164354</link>
		<dc:creator>Manu Reyes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 16:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EDGY OR OFFENSIVE CLOTHING IN PULPIT

i grew up in seeing pastors in a tie and cuffs closed... today, we've dressed down a bit... edgy... some people are still adjusting to that here in the Philippines... one time i got a comment for preaching without socks on!!! hahah!!! (among many other things)... that my shirts were a bit too slim... even when i had a tie on!!! 

Honestly, it just cracks me up thinking about all these things... but i've learnt to adjust to make sure that i'm not offensive with my clothing...

Pastor Craig, i've noticed you've regularly worn a jacket and less of your short sleeved shirts... was wondering... was anyone offended with with the gun shows? (LOL)</description>
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<p>i grew up in seeing pastors in a tie and cuffs closed&#8230; today, we&#8217;ve dressed down a bit&#8230; edgy&#8230; some people are still adjusting to that here in the Philippines&#8230; one time i got a comment for preaching without socks on!!! hahah!!! (among many other things)&#8230; that my shirts were a bit too slim&#8230; even when i had a tie on!!! </p>
<p>Honestly, it just cracks me up thinking about all these things&#8230; but i&#8217;ve learnt to adjust to make sure that i&#8217;m not offensive with my clothing&#8230;</p>
<p>Pastor Craig, i&#8217;ve noticed you&#8217;ve regularly worn a jacket and less of your short sleeved shirts&#8230; was wondering&#8230; was anyone offended with with the gun shows? (LOL)</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Dabbs</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/05/14/when-edgy-becomes-offensive/comment-page-1/#comment-164353</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Dabbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, yes, yes! Thank you for sharing this. The message of the cross is edgy enough without us having to embellish it. I think it is important that we ask ourselves whether we are drawing people to God or to techniques and tactics that we think we have to use to get people to see God. One can get in the way of the other and I would rather God get in the way of edgy for edginess sake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, yes, yes! Thank you for sharing this. The message of the cross is edgy enough without us having to embellish it. I think it is important that we ask ourselves whether we are drawing people to God or to techniques and tactics that we think we have to use to get people to see God. One can get in the way of the other and I would rather God get in the way of edgy for edginess sake.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Kirkeby</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/05/14/when-edgy-becomes-offensive/comment-page-1/#comment-164352</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Kirkeby</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 May 2009 15:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My goal for our church is not to be edgy but Holy Spirit driven. Since we have limited resources every time we have to use those resources they have to be in line with what God is called us to do. The world is full of edgy or relevant messages. By having our focus on being edgy many times we will be lost in the crowd, but God's truth always stands out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My goal for our church is not to be edgy but Holy Spirit driven. Since we have limited resources every time we have to use those resources they have to be in line with what God is called us to do. The world is full of edgy or relevant messages. By having our focus on being edgy many times we will be lost in the crowd, but God&#8217;s truth always stands out.</p>
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