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	<title>Comments on: The Sabbath</title>
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		<title>By: Don Schiewer</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/04/14/the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-163720</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Schiewer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Apr 2009 23:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My family and I began celebrating (and I mean celebrating) Sabbath from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday! It is the best thing our family has done in ministry! We consider ourselves Sabbath conscious (because observant is a stretch for our expression of it) - we don't 'work' nor do we go out to eat or to a movie or do anything that directly makes another individual have to work (obviously we use electricity and even watch tv)

My 5 year old son loves this time and even enjoys coming home from school on Fridays to help daddy clean the house for mommy - because the Sabbath is coming!

I didn't think my busy schedule would allow for this time but now I am more focused and directed each week!

My family and I study the Text together...play games together...go for walks...have friends over - we commune with the Father and those He's surrounded us with...

Sorry for rambling!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My family and I began celebrating (and I mean celebrating) Sabbath from sundown on Friday until sundown on Saturday! It is the best thing our family has done in ministry! We consider ourselves Sabbath conscious (because observant is a stretch for our expression of it) - we don&#8217;t &#8216;work&#8217; nor do we go out to eat or to a movie or do anything that directly makes another individual have to work (obviously we use electricity and even watch tv)</p>
<p>My 5 year old son loves this time and even enjoys coming home from school on Fridays to help daddy clean the house for mommy - because the Sabbath is coming!</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t think my busy schedule would allow for this time but now I am more focused and directed each week!</p>
<p>My family and I study the Text together&#8230;play games together&#8230;go for walks&#8230;have friends over - we commune with the Father and those He&#8217;s surrounded us with&#8230;</p>
<p>Sorry for rambling!</p>
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		<title>By: Charley</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 18:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo correction 

Craig,

I feel your pain concerning the need for rest. I’m 49, I have 7 children, and the youngest is a 5 weeks old. The ‘rest’ you and I speak of here concerns rejuvenation as a result of exhaustion. 

Three things come to mind: 

First, ‘The Sabbath’ was not concerning a ‘rest’ as in ‘rejuvenation’ as if God had ever been exhausted from His work. It was a Sabbath rest of ‘completion’ like the period at the end of a sentence. Another way to understand it is, a rolling ball eventually comes to ‘rest’. The Hebrews wondering the wilderness (in motion) remained in motion under God’s wrath. They never entered “His Rest” (Hebrews 3 &#38; 4). God ‘completed’ his work of creating. Jesus ‘completed’ the work on the cross – “It is finished”. Nowhere does entering “His Rest” imply we can now sleep.

Second, we don’t need Scripture to inform us we need physical rest. Our bodies are ‘programmed’ to tell us that. Since God built us and built that into us, He didn’t need to send special revelation to inform us of something so simple. Case in point, where in the Ten Commendments does it say, “Thou shalt eat”? 

Using Scripture to motivate people to work for free is ludicrous and violates principles in Scripture. If I suggest you should work paycheck free, you will invoke “a worker is due his wages” or “don’t muzzle the ox that treads the grain”. I too agree with this principle.

Do as physicians, attorneys, and other professionals do, reach in your self-professed squeaky pocket and pay people to perform these tasks. They are “oxen” as well. If the church has grown to lob-sided then cut back. God is sovereign. The Father has given souls to the Son and the “Son will loose not one”. Not a single soul will lost if LifeChurch is required to cut back overhead or can’t expand by adding another campus for sake of “feeding the ox”. For God can raise up a friend or neighbor or a Gideon Bible to bring the Word that produces faith unto salvation.

Lastly, I can’t help but notice that maintaining “the Sabbath” as well as the “Tithe” were omitted from the Jerusalem Decree and that being good with the Holy Spirit.

“For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.” Acts 15:28-29 ESV

Jesus himself, was doing his Father’s work on the Sabbath. The Sabbath isn’t about sleep, it’s about Holiness.

I’m looking forward to a sermon on abstaining from “eating rare steak”.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typo correction </p>
<p>Craig,</p>
<p>I feel your pain concerning the need for rest. I’m 49, I have 7 children, and the youngest is a 5 weeks old. The ‘rest’ you and I speak of here concerns rejuvenation as a result of exhaustion. </p>
<p>Three things come to mind: </p>
<p>First, ‘The Sabbath’ was not concerning a ‘rest’ as in ‘rejuvenation’ as if God had ever been exhausted from His work. It was a Sabbath rest of ‘completion’ like the period at the end of a sentence. Another way to understand it is, a rolling ball eventually comes to ‘rest’. The Hebrews wondering the wilderness (in motion) remained in motion under God’s wrath. They never entered “His Rest” (Hebrews 3 &amp; 4). God ‘completed’ his work of creating. Jesus ‘completed’ the work on the cross – “It is finished”. Nowhere does entering “His Rest” imply we can now sleep.</p>
<p>Second, we don’t need Scripture to inform us we need physical rest. Our bodies are ‘programmed’ to tell us that. Since God built us and built that into us, He didn’t need to send special revelation to inform us of something so simple. Case in point, where in the Ten Commendments does it say, “Thou shalt eat”? </p>
<p>Using Scripture to motivate people to work for free is ludicrous and violates principles in Scripture. If I suggest you should work paycheck free, you will invoke “a worker is due his wages” or “don’t muzzle the ox that treads the grain”. I too agree with this principle.</p>
<p>Do as physicians, attorneys, and other professionals do, reach in your self-professed squeaky pocket and pay people to perform these tasks. They are “oxen” as well. If the church has grown to lob-sided then cut back. God is sovereign. The Father has given souls to the Son and the “Son will loose not one”. Not a single soul will lost if LifeChurch is required to cut back overhead or can’t expand by adding another campus for sake of “feeding the ox”. For God can raise up a friend or neighbor or a Gideon Bible to bring the Word that produces faith unto salvation.</p>
<p>Lastly, I can’t help but notice that maintaining “the Sabbath” as well as the “Tithe” were omitted from the Jerusalem Decree and that being good with the Holy Spirit.</p>
<p>“For it has seemed good to the Holy Spirit and to us to lay on you no greater burden than these requirements: that you abstain from what has been sacrificed to idols, and from blood, and from what has been strangled, and from sexual immorality.” Acts 15:28-29 ESV</p>
<p>Jesus himself, was doing his Father’s work on the Sabbath. The Sabbath isn’t about sleep, it’s about Holiness.</p>
<p>I’m looking forward to a sermon on abstaining from “eating rare steak”.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim Evans</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 13:56:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Days off can be calendared, but my problem is trying to "be where I am".  Many times when I have to be at work I feel guilty about not spending more time with my family.  Then, when I take time off to be with the family, I feel guilty about the work that needs to be done.  This robs me of the full enjoyment of both places. I am learning to "be where I am" and enjoy it without guilt about where I am not.  Does that make sense?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Days off can be calendared, but my problem is trying to &#8220;be where I am&#8221;.  Many times when I have to be at work I feel guilty about not spending more time with my family.  Then, when I take time off to be with the family, I feel guilty about the work that needs to be done.  This robs me of the full enjoyment of both places. I am learning to &#8220;be where I am&#8221; and enjoy it without guilt about where I am not.  Does that make sense?</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle George</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 03:25:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is something that I am learning about at the moment...For too long I have been the "energiser bunny" always on the go. This year God is telling me to be still and know that he is God...I am looking forward to learning about both Sabbath and Sabbatical, and look forward to growth in a time of Winter for my ministry life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is something that I am learning about at the moment&#8230;For too long I have been the &#8220;energiser bunny&#8221; always on the go. This year God is telling me to be still and know that he is God&#8230;I am looking forward to learning about both Sabbath and Sabbatical, and look forward to growth in a time of Winter for my ministry life.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Choy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Choy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Apr 2009 02:15:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It took me 6-7 years in full-time ministry before I really have started to appreciate and "take" a day off in a week. Now I would simply turn off my mobile phone (where my church would find me through) on my sabbath. That enables me to a much needed rest by way of an afternoon nap (sometimes), family time, and personal reading/reflection as well etc...

This pattern proves to be rewarding and very beneficial to me personally, my wife and our family, which would in turn do good to the church ministry as a whole.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It took me 6-7 years in full-time ministry before I really have started to appreciate and &#8220;take&#8221; a day off in a week. Now I would simply turn off my mobile phone (where my church would find me through) on my sabbath. That enables me to a much needed rest by way of an afternoon nap (sometimes), family time, and personal reading/reflection as well etc&#8230;</p>
<p>This pattern proves to be rewarding and very beneficial to me personally, my wife and our family, which would in turn do good to the church ministry as a whole.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Gooch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Gooch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 22:51:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A day of rest has always been the hardest thing for me to do.  I've been in ministry for five years, always in a small church bivocational setting.  At first, a day off seemed like such a waste of time.  By year four, I was clamoring for a day off but couldn't take it because of the schedule and rythym I had established in my first three years.

Now, I have a day sat aside, but still have trouble taking it.  I feel guilty that there is so much to do and I am resting.  I lose this battle with myself more than I win.  

I know it's not healthy.  I know I'll crash and burn if I don't start resting.  But I keep justifying my actions to myself and continue to run myself into the ground.

It's tough.  On me, on my wife, on my friends, and on my family.  And still I continue not to take a sabbath.  I feel like it's become a foothold for Satan, and from there he wages his own little fight against me.

It's no wonder God talks about a sabbath in His Word so much!  He knew we silly humans would be so adverse to taking it, and knew Satan could use it to deal real damage to God's people!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A day of rest has always been the hardest thing for me to do.  I&#8217;ve been in ministry for five years, always in a small church bivocational setting.  At first, a day off seemed like such a waste of time.  By year four, I was clamoring for a day off but couldn&#8217;t take it because of the schedule and rythym I had established in my first three years.</p>
<p>Now, I have a day sat aside, but still have trouble taking it.  I feel guilty that there is so much to do and I am resting.  I lose this battle with myself more than I win.  </p>
<p>I know it&#8217;s not healthy.  I know I&#8217;ll crash and burn if I don&#8217;t start resting.  But I keep justifying my actions to myself and continue to run myself into the ground.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s tough.  On me, on my wife, on my friends, and on my family.  And still I continue not to take a sabbath.  I feel like it&#8217;s become a foothold for Satan, and from there he wages his own little fight against me.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s no wonder God talks about a sabbath in His Word so much!  He knew we silly humans would be so adverse to taking it, and knew Satan could use it to deal real damage to God&#8217;s people!</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Cole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Cole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 20:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife and I reserve Fridays for our day off. We then try to keep Saturdays free of commitments, but that doesn't always happen. But Fridays will find us disconnected from cell phones, computers and doing whatever we want!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife and I reserve Fridays for our day off. We then try to keep Saturdays free of commitments, but that doesn&#8217;t always happen. But Fridays will find us disconnected from cell phones, computers and doing whatever we want!</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:27:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lot's of GREAT thoughts.  I came from a para-church organization before planting a church.  And so understanding the "seasons" of ministry and building in rest in appropraite times is something I try to practice.  Notice I said try.  Some advice to everyone, get rest because God made us physical, spirtiual, and emotional beings.  I made the mistake of being healthy spiritually &#38; physically but not emotionally get rest and filling my tank. I love Bill Hybels quote..."Doing the work of God was killing Gods work in me."  I think that's close and oh so true!  I ended up in hospital and sick for a year because I worked at a pace that was not healthy.  One thing I've learned though about Sabbath keeping - there is a difference between rest and restoration.  We can rest playing golf and watching tv and being with family.  But restoration only comes by connecting with God. To all who are in the fight...keep the Faith and hold onto Jesus!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lot&#8217;s of GREAT thoughts.  I came from a para-church organization before planting a church.  And so understanding the &#8220;seasons&#8221; of ministry and building in rest in appropraite times is something I try to practice.  Notice I said try.  Some advice to everyone, get rest because God made us physical, spirtiual, and emotional beings.  I made the mistake of being healthy spiritually &amp; physically but not emotionally get rest and filling my tank. I love Bill Hybels quote&#8230;&#8221;Doing the work of God was killing Gods work in me.&#8221;  I think that&#8217;s close and oh so true!  I ended up in hospital and sick for a year because I worked at a pace that was not healthy.  One thing I&#8217;ve learned though about Sabbath keeping - there is a difference between rest and restoration.  We can rest playing golf and watching tv and being with family.  But restoration only comes by connecting with God. To all who are in the fight&#8230;keep the Faith and hold onto Jesus!</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Goepfrich</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/04/14/the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-163638</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Goepfrich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:10:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Full disclosure: I'm the only paid pastor in our church.

I didn't take intentional time off until a pastor-friend pointed out that I was disobeying the Word I taught. I now take Fridays off, and since it's my wife's day off work too, we spend the day together while the kids are in school.

Most of the time we'll go to the gym together and go home for lunch. As far as what we can/can't do: basically I understand it to mean that we can do anything that does not fall under our ordinary, provision-giving work.

One of God's goals for the Sabbath was to teach his people to trust him to provide. For me, that means I don't do my pastoral work on Fridays - answer phones, check church voice mail/email, schedule appointments, etc. With very few exceptions, there is no emergency so big that can't wait the extra day. When it is that big, they'll call twice, and I'll know something it up.

BTW - I am very up-front about Friday. Now if someone even mentions Friday for something, my answer is an unashamed, "Nope!" I mention it in my teaching when it is appropriate. And I really believe my family is better because of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Full disclosure: I&#8217;m the only paid pastor in our church.</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t take intentional time off until a pastor-friend pointed out that I was disobeying the Word I taught. I now take Fridays off, and since it&#8217;s my wife&#8217;s day off work too, we spend the day together while the kids are in school.</p>
<p>Most of the time we&#8217;ll go to the gym together and go home for lunch. As far as what we can/can&#8217;t do: basically I understand it to mean that we can do anything that does not fall under our ordinary, provision-giving work.</p>
<p>One of God&#8217;s goals for the Sabbath was to teach his people to trust him to provide. For me, that means I don&#8217;t do my pastoral work on Fridays - answer phones, check church voice mail/email, schedule appointments, etc. With very few exceptions, there is no emergency so big that can&#8217;t wait the extra day. When it is that big, they&#8217;ll call twice, and I&#8217;ll know something it up.</p>
<p>BTW - I am very up-front about Friday. Now if someone even mentions Friday for something, my answer is an unashamed, &#8220;Nope!&#8221; I mention it in my teaching when it is appropriate. And I really believe my family is better because of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I spent 11 years pastoring without boundaries and it finally caught up to me two years ago when I had to take a "forced sabbatical" (i.e. medical leave).  I was off for 2.5 months and I had to begin to unlearn a LOT of unhealthy expectations (by me and by others) and actions.  One of the biggest changes I made when I came back was taking two days off a week (Friday and Saturday).  Friday is my Sabbath.  I choose not to do work on that day.  Saturday is for household chores and errands.  Since doing this, I actually work more hours during my five days than when I was working six days but I feel more rested because I get that two day breather.  

My congregation saw what happened to me as a result of having improper boundaries and have been very good at maintaining my new boundaries.  I really liked Ben Rainey's list and I have implemented many of those as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I spent 11 years pastoring without boundaries and it finally caught up to me two years ago when I had to take a &#8220;forced sabbatical&#8221; (i.e. medical leave).  I was off for 2.5 months and I had to begin to unlearn a LOT of unhealthy expectations (by me and by others) and actions.  One of the biggest changes I made when I came back was taking two days off a week (Friday and Saturday).  Friday is my Sabbath.  I choose not to do work on that day.  Saturday is for household chores and errands.  Since doing this, I actually work more hours during my five days than when I was working six days but I feel more rested because I get that two day breather.  </p>
<p>My congregation saw what happened to me as a result of having improper boundaries and have been very good at maintaining my new boundaries.  I really liked Ben Rainey&#8217;s list and I have implemented many of those as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Dylan Martin</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/04/14/the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-163634</link>
		<dc:creator>Dylan Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andy Stanley's "Choosing To Cheat" is a great book on this subject.. Very short, but he makes his point. I suggest it...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andy Stanley&#8217;s &#8220;Choosing To Cheat&#8221; is a great book on this subject.. Very short, but he makes his point. I suggest it&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dana gagner</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/04/14/the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-163633</link>
		<dc:creator>dana gagner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:56:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My vision for my family exceeds my vision for my church. I take 1 1/2 or two days off every week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My vision for my family exceeds my vision for my church. I take 1 1/2 or two days off every week.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom E. Snyder</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/04/14/the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-163632</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom E. Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FYI, the book Anne referred to is Sit, Walk, Stand by Watchman Nee. It about the book of Ephesians. Great book.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FYI, the book Anne referred to is Sit, Walk, Stand by Watchman Nee. It about the book of Ephesians. Great book.</p>
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		<title>By: Rick Clevenger</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rick Clevenger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:41:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am bi-vocational and I hired a fulltime associate pastor a year ago to handle emergencies and pastoral care.  Even then I don't feel like I get a day off as I am off from my other job on Wednesday's and use that day to prepare to preach on Sunday, make visits, and other things that I feel would cause me to be overwhelmed if I didn't.  I have done this for about 12 years now and at 47 I am starting to feel it.  I am one of those people who knows what I should do but just have a hard time doing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am bi-vocational and I hired a fulltime associate pastor a year ago to handle emergencies and pastoral care.  Even then I don&#8217;t feel like I get a day off as I am off from my other job on Wednesday&#8217;s and use that day to prepare to preach on Sunday, make visits, and other things that I feel would cause me to be overwhelmed if I didn&#8217;t.  I have done this for about 12 years now and at 47 I am starting to feel it.  I am one of those people who knows what I should do but just have a hard time doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom E. Snyder</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom E. Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:36:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>brandon (#10),

Consider downloading a video message from Open (http://open.lifechurch.tv/). It's free and will give your pastor a Sunday free from preaching (including prep). If that goes well you might want to join One Prayer (http://2009.oneprayer.com/) and run videos the whole month of June giving the pastor a month free from preaching. If that goes well the church might want to consider the LifeChurch.tv Network (http://network.lifechurch.tv/), thereby freeing up the pastor from preaching indefinitely. Then when the church is able to pay him a full-time salary you can continue with Network or he can resume preaching.

God bless you as you wrestle with this issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>brandon (#10),</p>
<p>Consider downloading a video message from Open (http://open.lifechurch.tv/). It&#8217;s free and will give your pastor a Sunday free from preaching (including prep). If that goes well you might want to join One Prayer (http://2009.oneprayer.com/) and run videos the whole month of June giving the pastor a month free from preaching. If that goes well the church might want to consider the LifeChurch.tv Network (http://network.lifechurch.tv/), thereby freeing up the pastor from preaching indefinitely. Then when the church is able to pay him a full-time salary you can continue with Network or he can resume preaching.</p>
<p>God bless you as you wrestle with this issue.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian (Portland, OR)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian (Portland, OR)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suggest everyone read ANNE JACKSON's BOOK, MAD CHURCH DISEASE!  

It's not an issue with me.  God's grace grows the church - not me.  I take a day off, and could care less what's going on during that day.

Remember the parable of the farmer (Matt 13) who scattered seed...THEN WHILE HE WAS SLEEPING THE HARVEST GREW!  How arrogant of us to think that we make the world go around!  Once I recognized this it was easy to take a step back. Pastors need to sleep more and let the harvest grow by grace! (In context of course - you'll find no promoting laziness from me).

May you all receive GREAT GRACE to grow the church!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suggest everyone read ANNE JACKSON&#8217;s BOOK, MAD CHURCH DISEASE!  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s not an issue with me.  God&#8217;s grace grows the church - not me.  I take a day off, and could care less what&#8217;s going on during that day.</p>
<p>Remember the parable of the farmer (Matt 13) who scattered seed&#8230;THEN WHILE HE WAS SLEEPING THE HARVEST GREW!  How arrogant of us to think that we make the world go around!  Once I recognized this it was easy to take a step back. Pastors need to sleep more and let the harvest grow by grace! (In context of course - you&#8217;ll find no promoting laziness from me).</p>
<p>May you all receive GREAT GRACE to grow the church!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 16:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My wife &#38; I are pastoring multiple, international congregations in the Middle East. In the States, we worked secular jobs and then did ministry at night and all weekend.  It was killing us.  When we came here, it was rest or die... it's hard enough to cross the street &#38; buy bread here, much less maintain and build a ministry.  Our Tuesdays (today!) are absolutely precious to us.  It's the day we use to veg or take a quick jaunt out of the city.  God knew what He was doing... we just need to follow His lead!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My wife &amp; I are pastoring multiple, international congregations in the Middle East. In the States, we worked secular jobs and then did ministry at night and all weekend.  It was killing us.  When we came here, it was rest or die&#8230; it&#8217;s hard enough to cross the street &amp; buy bread here, much less maintain and build a ministry.  Our Tuesdays (today!) are absolutely precious to us.  It&#8217;s the day we use to veg or take a quick jaunt out of the city.  God knew what He was doing&#8230; we just need to follow His lead!</p>
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		<title>By: Brian Holt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian Holt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is encouraging to me. I recently came from a church that required 50+ hours and six days a week to a church that requires rest. I find myself driven to put in "just a little bit" on my day off or answer calls to support other staff members. It's a great reminder to be fierce about my day off. It's hard because I love my job.

At Len, I get Monday and Saturday off. One of those is supposed to be a "work" day. Doing stuff that is required around the house or whatever. And one of those is supposed to be a "family" day. We'll go out or just hang around and enjoy each other. It very rarely works out that way. This has been a great reminder to guard that more diligently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is encouraging to me. I recently came from a church that required 50+ hours and six days a week to a church that requires rest. I find myself driven to put in &#8220;just a little bit&#8221; on my day off or answer calls to support other staff members. It&#8217;s a great reminder to be fierce about my day off. It&#8217;s hard because I love my job.</p>
<p>At Len, I get Monday and Saturday off. One of those is supposed to be a &#8220;work&#8221; day. Doing stuff that is required around the house or whatever. And one of those is supposed to be a &#8220;family&#8221; day. We&#8217;ll go out or just hang around and enjoy each other. It very rarely works out that way. This has been a great reminder to guard that more diligently.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ireland</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE: Len...I suspect that the integration of sabbath will look different for almost everyone, but a commonality should be choices that create space or margins in your waking hours; space that more than simply allows, but facilitates communion with God in ways that just are not likely when we are engaged otherwise.

So...I think we can glean quite a bit about the intentions of sabbath from Scripture, even if the specifics look different.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE: Len&#8230;I suspect that the integration of sabbath will look different for almost everyone, but a commonality should be choices that create space or margins in your waking hours; space that more than simply allows, but facilitates communion with God in ways that just are not likely when we are engaged otherwise.</p>
<p>So&#8230;I think we can glean quite a bit about the intentions of sabbath from Scripture, even if the specifics look different.</p>
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		<title>By: m@</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2009/04/14/the-sabbath/comment-page-1/#comment-163624</link>
		<dc:creator>m@</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 15:37:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am 3/4 time at a church plant and I watch my kids full time. I try not to do work 4 nights out of the week and Saturday mornings...does that count?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am 3/4 time at a church plant and I watch my kids full time. I try not to do work 4 nights out of the week and Saturday mornings&#8230;does that count?</p>
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