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	<title>Comments on: Successful Ministry - 1</title>
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		<title>By: Euan Crane</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-160082</link>
		<dc:creator>Euan Crane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 16:32:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another lie we can come under is this...
"The size of your church reflects your relationship with God".
Some of the most Godly and faithful men I know lead small churches. I'm about to plant a church in Charlotte NC and I'm keeping this close to me. Of course I'm not going to use this an excuse not to grow as I unashamedly want a church that sees many people saved, but its an important thing to remember that leaders of big churches are not neccesarily more spiritual than leaders of small churches (and no less!).
Thanks for all you do Craig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another lie we can come under is this&#8230;<br />
&#8220;The size of your church reflects your relationship with God&#8221;.<br />
Some of the most Godly and faithful men I know lead small churches. I&#8217;m about to plant a church in Charlotte NC and I&#8217;m keeping this close to me. Of course I&#8217;m not going to use this an excuse not to grow as I unashamedly want a church that sees many people saved, but its an important thing to remember that leaders of big churches are not neccesarily more spiritual than leaders of small churches (and no less!).<br />
Thanks for all you do Craig.</p>
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		<title>By: Simply Missional - Link Love</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simply Missional - Link Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Dec 2008 15:37:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Groeschel posted multiple practical posts on success in ministry, go here, here, here and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Life Church TV-Posts on Successful Ministry : New church Launch</title>
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		<dc:creator>Life Church TV-Posts on Successful Ministry : New church Launch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 20:39:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Lifechurch.tv is doing a series on successful ministry that i would like to highlight here. You can see the orginal post here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Something EVERY Minister Should Read! &#171; Teachable Teacher</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159966</link>
		<dc:creator>Something EVERY Minister Should Read! &#171; Teachable Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:37:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Part 1&#8211;The size of your ministry does not determine the level of your success. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Abefroeman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Abefroeman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Dec 2008 13:17:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By this argument then we should not consider him to be credible based on the size of his ministry? So, then what is the litmus test to validate him as being a success? Or more important how can we know that he is practicing what he is preaching and seeing success from said practice?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By this argument then we should not consider him to be credible based on the size of his ministry? So, then what is the litmus test to validate him as being a success? Or more important how can we know that he is practicing what he is preaching and seeing success from said practice?</p>
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		<title>By: Ken Pierpont</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ken Pierpont</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 13:55:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Little Flocks in the Wilderness

www.spurgeon.org“It is a great advantage to a minister to commence his public life in a small village, where he can have time a quiet for study and reading: that man is wise who avails himself of that opportunity.”
-C. H. Spurgeon
All-Around Ministry

    In the harvest field now ripened
    There’s a work for all to do;
    Hark! the voice of God is calling
    To the harvest calling you.

    Little is much when God is in it!
    Labor not for wealth or fame.
    There’s a crown—and you can win it,
    If you go in Jesus’ Name.

    Does the place you’re called to labor
    Seem too small and little known?
    It is great if God is in it,
    And He’ll not forget His own.

    When the conflict here is ended
    And our race on earth is run,
    He will say, if we are faithful,
    “Welcome home, My child—well done!”

When I was seventeen years old I drove north every week to minister to a little flock in the wilderness for year before I left to study at Moody Bible Institute. When I was twenty-one God entrusted Lois and me with another little flock in the wilderness. This time it was the good people of Beaver Chapel in Mercer County, Ohio. It was there our oldest son, Kyle was born.

One winter morning it snowed so deep that it took me over an hour to shovel a path over to my study. I started a little heater, brewed some coffee and spend sweet hours with the Lord reading E. M. Bounds on prayer and then kneeling by a worn little chair on the hardwood floor of my study and talking to the Lord.

David’s older brother mocked him and taunted him to go back to his “little flock in the wilderness,” but it was there tending “a few sheep in the wilderness” that God was forging in him the character needed to lead a nation. It was there that young David was learning to be a man after God’s own heart.

Not everyone follows the same path into ministry but tending little flock in the wilderness was a good way for us to begin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Little Flocks in the Wilderness</p>
<p><a href="http://www.spurgeon.org“It" rel="nofollow">http://www.spurgeon.org“It</a> is a great advantage to a minister to commence his public life in a small village, where he can have time a quiet for study and reading: that man is wise who avails himself of that opportunity.”<br />
-C. H. Spurgeon<br />
All-Around Ministry</p>
<p>    In the harvest field now ripened<br />
    There’s a work for all to do;<br />
    Hark! the voice of God is calling<br />
    To the harvest calling you.</p>
<p>    Little is much when God is in it!<br />
    Labor not for wealth or fame.<br />
    There’s a crown—and you can win it,<br />
    If you go in Jesus’ Name.</p>
<p>    Does the place you’re called to labor<br />
    Seem too small and little known?<br />
    It is great if God is in it,<br />
    And He’ll not forget His own.</p>
<p>    When the conflict here is ended<br />
    And our race on earth is run,<br />
    He will say, if we are faithful,<br />
    “Welcome home, My child—well done!”</p>
<p>When I was seventeen years old I drove north every week to minister to a little flock in the wilderness for year before I left to study at Moody Bible Institute. When I was twenty-one God entrusted Lois and me with another little flock in the wilderness. This time it was the good people of Beaver Chapel in Mercer County, Ohio. It was there our oldest son, Kyle was born.</p>
<p>One winter morning it snowed so deep that it took me over an hour to shovel a path over to my study. I started a little heater, brewed some coffee and spend sweet hours with the Lord reading E. M. Bounds on prayer and then kneeling by a worn little chair on the hardwood floor of my study and talking to the Lord.</p>
<p>David’s older brother mocked him and taunted him to go back to his “little flock in the wilderness,” but it was there tending “a few sheep in the wilderness” that God was forging in him the character needed to lead a nation. It was there that young David was learning to be a man after God’s own heart.</p>
<p>Not everyone follows the same path into ministry but tending little flock in the wilderness was a good way for us to begin.</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Chapman</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159851</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 02:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of these points others are making are excellent.  Thanks guys, I'm learning a lot.

I think God gives us a church size we can handle according to our current level of faithfulness, understanding and capacity.  I'm saying this and I have a small church but I'm learning to enjoy where we're at right now.

For some reasons I think there's a 'God-lid' on some churches because what He's doing inside it is more important in that season than seeing the multitudes get saved and enter into a church that isn't ready.  That Jesus will build his church seems to me to be a sure reality. We are blessed when we see it in His timing. My timing would have seen things accelerate very prematurely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of these points others are making are excellent.  Thanks guys, I&#8217;m learning a lot.</p>
<p>I think God gives us a church size we can handle according to our current level of faithfulness, understanding and capacity.  I&#8217;m saying this and I have a small church but I&#8217;m learning to enjoy where we&#8217;re at right now.</p>
<p>For some reasons I think there&#8217;s a &#8216;God-lid&#8217; on some churches because what He&#8217;s doing inside it is more important in that season than seeing the multitudes get saved and enter into a church that isn&#8217;t ready.  That Jesus will build his church seems to me to be a sure reality. We are blessed when we see it in His timing. My timing would have seen things accelerate very prematurely.</p>
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		<title>By: txmom4</title>
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		<dc:creator>txmom4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm not sure I know what more to say in this discussion Craig. This is something that's had me baffled for a while now. Check this out...one day I was looking at our numbers and I realized the attendance was basically the same the first weekend in January of 2005 as it was the first weekend in January of 2007. Yet we had 30 or more people joining the church each month. Which tells me that we had as many people walking out the door as we had coming in. What does that mean? I don't know. Is our main goal to grow the church or to grow the people in the church? I find it real interesting that Jesus commanded US to make disciples, but He said HE would build the church. Maybe our success in ministry is determined by our ability to do our job and let Him do His.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not sure I know what more to say in this discussion Craig. This is something that&#8217;s had me baffled for a while now. Check this out&#8230;one day I was looking at our numbers and I realized the attendance was basically the same the first weekend in January of 2005 as it was the first weekend in January of 2007. Yet we had 30 or more people joining the church each month. Which tells me that we had as many people walking out the door as we had coming in. What does that mean? I don&#8217;t know. Is our main goal to grow the church or to grow the people in the church? I find it real interesting that Jesus commanded US to make disciples, but He said HE would build the church. Maybe our success in ministry is determined by our ability to do our job and let Him do His.</p>
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		<title>By: Nathan Jenks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nathan Jenks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 23:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't possibly thank you enough for the conciseness of your blog, the simplicity and truth of its message. I think that, in America, there is the culture of the fast food, instant results, don't make me sit around and wait for real long-term results. You've struck ministry gold!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t possibly thank you enough for the conciseness of your blog, the simplicity and truth of its message. I think that, in America, there is the culture of the fast food, instant results, don&#8217;t make me sit around and wait for real long-term results. You&#8217;ve struck ministry gold!</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin M.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin M.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 22:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Numerical growth IS an indicator of "success" BUT numerical growth is not the ONLY indicator of success.  If it was then the JW's, Mormons and all the "get rich quick ministries" would be VERY successful!  Our goal as the church is to MAKE DISCIPLES, that is committed followers of Christ.  That is our end product and that defines success!  Of course, measuring who are TRUE committed followers of Christ is not easy ... so we leave that part to God :)  Our part to is engage in the process.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Numerical growth IS an indicator of &#8220;success&#8221; BUT numerical growth is not the ONLY indicator of success.  If it was then the JW&#8217;s, Mormons and all the &#8220;get rich quick ministries&#8221; would be VERY successful!  Our goal as the church is to MAKE DISCIPLES, that is committed followers of Christ.  That is our end product and that defines success!  Of course, measuring who are TRUE committed followers of Christ is not easy &#8230; so we leave that part to God <img src='http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Our part to is engage in the process.</p>
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		<title>By: Judy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Judy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 21:14:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom....PEOPLE MATTER TO GOD...and how could we ever put a limit or number that would define success on reaching them....God wants quality AND quanity...I think maybe it is the comparing success with numbers and size that is the monkey wrench in our thinking</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom&#8230;.PEOPLE MATTER TO GOD&#8230;and how could we ever put a limit or number that would define success on reaching them&#8230;.God wants quality AND quanity&#8230;I think maybe it is the comparing success with numbers and size that is the monkey wrench in our thinking</p>
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		<title>By: Darren Chapman</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159846</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren Chapman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Craig,

Thanks so much for confirming what we were all hoping!  We planted 7 years ago and it's taken that long for God to change my understanding of success.  Every year my wife and I said, "if we have another year like that one, we're quitting" mostly because of a lack of church growth.

God has worked on us both a LOT in this area and now we feel more free to serve and love without the pressure of meeting ridiculous goals at all costs!

I've learned that I can live out of my drivenness (to achieve goals, get a certain size church, etc) or I can live in my calling (to lead this church and take it where God is leading).  While I still want our church to grow as there are hundreds of thousands in our city who need Jesus, the pressure has been removed (mostly!) and I'm walking in freedom.

Sorry to labor the point but this has been an enormous breakthrough for me!!!!  I now feel like I can do what I was called to do... disciple people.  I realised I was sacrificing people in order to get to the goal. Now I'm becoming a more loving, discipling pastor.  And I'm liking it.

Thanks for being so real Craig.  You guys rock.
Rant finished :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Craig,</p>
<p>Thanks so much for confirming what we were all hoping!  We planted 7 years ago and it&#8217;s taken that long for God to change my understanding of success.  Every year my wife and I said, &#8220;if we have another year like that one, we&#8217;re quitting&#8221; mostly because of a lack of church growth.</p>
<p>God has worked on us both a LOT in this area and now we feel more free to serve and love without the pressure of meeting ridiculous goals at all costs!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve learned that I can live out of my drivenness (to achieve goals, get a certain size church, etc) or I can live in my calling (to lead this church and take it where God is leading).  While I still want our church to grow as there are hundreds of thousands in our city who need Jesus, the pressure has been removed (mostly!) and I&#8217;m walking in freedom.</p>
<p>Sorry to labor the point but this has been an enormous breakthrough for me!!!!  I now feel like I can do what I was called to do&#8230; disciple people.  I realised I was sacrificing people in order to get to the goal. Now I&#8217;m becoming a more loving, discipling pastor.  And I&#8217;m liking it.</p>
<p>Thanks for being so real Craig.  You guys rock.<br />
Rant finished <img src='http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Craig Groeschel</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159845</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Groeschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 20:02:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, Thanks so much! We are thrilled to partner with people all over the world. We can do so much more together!

Txmom, This could be a really interesting and important discussion. Wish I had more time today. Keep the discussion going.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, Thanks so much! We are thrilled to partner with people all over the world. We can do so much more together!</p>
<p>Txmom, This could be a really interesting and important discussion. Wish I had more time today. Keep the discussion going.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Hogsed</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159844</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Hogsed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read this blog quite often, but have never commented; however, today I was compelled to say thanks for thinking about churches of all sizes.  The resources which your ministry makes available and your connection with many here is evidence of your concern to help many...regardless of church size!  What you do does not go unnoticed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read this blog quite often, but have never commented; however, today I was compelled to say thanks for thinking about churches of all sizes.  The resources which your ministry makes available and your connection with many here is evidence of your concern to help many&#8230;regardless of church size!  What you do does not go unnoticed.</p>
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		<title>By: txmom4</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159843</link>
		<dc:creator>txmom4</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom, I know you're asking Craig to answer the question. I just thought I'd throw this out there too, for Craig to address. My sister and I got into a pretty deep discussion about this one day. I was telling her I believed "if a church wasn't growing on a regular basis, there is obviously something wrong."  She disagreed with me and said "there are many ministries that aren't growing because they are focused on equipping those people God has already placed there." The influence of the smaller church may actually be bigger than at the larger church because you're equipping leaders who will go out and reach people all over the place, not just in your congregation. So is the church with a larger congregation more successful, or is it the smaller church who is equipping their people better? I believe the best scenario would be a larger church who is teaching and equipping MANY leaders. Our next generation is going to need as many as we can turn out!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom, I know you&#8217;re asking Craig to answer the question. I just thought I&#8217;d throw this out there too, for Craig to address. My sister and I got into a pretty deep discussion about this one day. I was telling her I believed &#8220;if a church wasn&#8217;t growing on a regular basis, there is obviously something wrong.&#8221;  She disagreed with me and said &#8220;there are many ministries that aren&#8217;t growing because they are focused on equipping those people God has already placed there.&#8221; The influence of the smaller church may actually be bigger than at the larger church because you&#8217;re equipping leaders who will go out and reach people all over the place, not just in your congregation. So is the church with a larger congregation more successful, or is it the smaller church who is equipping their people better? I believe the best scenario would be a larger church who is teaching and equipping MANY leaders. Our next generation is going to need as many as we can turn out!</p>
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		<title>By: Jared B</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159842</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:23:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Avery, great stuff! Very wise!

Whenever I was stuck in a time of comparing (and thinking to myself (actually, Satan interjecting in my mind)) how small of an impact I was making compared to others, God really spoke to me through His Word.

He showed me many verses, two of which are:

Genesis 2:6 - "...but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground."
             - God had me see this verse and it really spoke to me. He can have anything come from anywhere...He can raise up in and through me anything. This really spoke to me. 

1 Timothy 4:12 - "Don't let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity." 
     - Because I was young I felt that I couldn't be as effective as a seasoned leader. God disagrees with that. This verse REALLY spoke to me. 

Bottom line to me: Be confident and set an example wherever you are in life. God can work through you. 

I suggest everyone read Avery's post (#12) on this page!

God loves ya!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Avery, great stuff! Very wise!</p>
<p>Whenever I was stuck in a time of comparing (and thinking to myself (actually, Satan interjecting in my mind)) how small of an impact I was making compared to others, God really spoke to me through His Word.</p>
<p>He showed me many verses, two of which are:</p>
<p>Genesis 2:6 - &#8220;&#8230;but streams came up from the earth and watered the whole surface of the ground.&#8221;<br />
             - God had me see this verse and it really spoke to me. He can have anything come from anywhere&#8230;He can raise up in and through me anything. This really spoke to me. </p>
<p>1 Timothy 4:12 - &#8220;Don&#8217;t let anyone look down on you because you are young, but set an example for the believers in speech, in life, in love, in faith and in purity.&#8221;<br />
     - Because I was young I felt that I couldn&#8217;t be as effective as a seasoned leader. God disagrees with that. This verse REALLY spoke to me. </p>
<p>Bottom line to me: Be confident and set an example wherever you are in life. God can work through you. </p>
<p>I suggest everyone read Avery&#8217;s post (#12) on this page!</p>
<p>God loves ya!</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Groeschel</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159841</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Groeschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tom asked some good questions. I don't think this means we should become indifferent about numbers and spiritual results (which can be difficult to measure). I'm hoping some of the other posts coming this week will address (at least partially) some of your questions.

Others can jump in the discussion with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom asked some good questions. I don&#8217;t think this means we should become indifferent about numbers and spiritual results (which can be difficult to measure). I&#8217;m hoping some of the other posts coming this week will address (at least partially) some of your questions.</p>
<p>Others can jump in the discussion with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159840</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

I totally agree with where you are coming from. What I am less sure about is where this leads? Does it take is to a place where we are indifferent about numbers? Surely that's not quite Biblical (there are several places in scripture where the crowd is counted). Would we say size is one of a number of markers of success?

We talk about faithfulness. In Matthew 25, it is the servant who takes what he has been given and turns it into more that Jesus describes as faithful. If we do not see growth, are we being faithful? Are we holding onto things that inhibit growth that we don't have the guts to let go of (therefore being unfaithful)?

Could you give us some of your thoughts on what is the right way to think about size and numbers in our churches, given what you have (rightly) said about them not being the defining factor of success.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>I totally agree with where you are coming from. What I am less sure about is where this leads? Does it take is to a place where we are indifferent about numbers? Surely that&#8217;s not quite Biblical (there are several places in scripture where the crowd is counted). Would we say size is one of a number of markers of success?</p>
<p>We talk about faithfulness. In Matthew 25, it is the servant who takes what he has been given and turns it into more that Jesus describes as faithful. If we do not see growth, are we being faithful? Are we holding onto things that inhibit growth that we don&#8217;t have the guts to let go of (therefore being unfaithful)?</p>
<p>Could you give us some of your thoughts on what is the right way to think about size and numbers in our churches, given what you have (rightly) said about them not being the defining factor of success.</p>
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		<title>By: JoNathan</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159839</link>
		<dc:creator>JoNathan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just wanted to say that your blog has been a huge blessing to me. I read every post and enjoy every post. You are teaching me through your blog how to be a better leader. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just wanted to say that your blog has been a huge blessing to me. I read every post and enjoy every post. You are teaching me through your blog how to be a better leader. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Emanuel</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/12/08/successful-ministry-1/comment-page-1/#comment-159838</link>
		<dc:creator>Emanuel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:30:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"We need a fresh crop of humble seminarians willing to take the country churches of six and lead them to become the country churches of twenty-five. Churches need a renewed focus on the total reliance of our sovereign God."

from "essential church?" by Thom S. Rainer and Sam S. Rainer III</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We need a fresh crop of humble seminarians willing to take the country churches of six and lead them to become the country churches of twenty-five. Churches need a renewed focus on the total reliance of our sovereign God.&#8221;</p>
<p>from &#8220;essential church?&#8221; by Thom S. Rainer and Sam S. Rainer III</p>
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