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		<title>By: What Leadership Demands - Philosophy &#38; Legacy</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/06/24/developing-people/comment-page-1/#comment-155760</link>
		<dc:creator>What Leadership Demands - Philosophy &#38; Legacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 11:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Freedom from debt comes with a price &#124; Christian Finances</title>
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		<dc:creator>Freedom from debt comes with a price &#124; Christian Finances</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 17:28:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Kevin Thomas</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 04:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ps Craig - I too like Steven would find it a valuable exercise to see how a week pans out for you from a mentoring leaders viewpoint. Thanks Kevin</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ps Craig - I too like Steven would find it a valuable exercise to see how a week pans out for you from a mentoring leaders viewpoint. Thanks Kevin</p>
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		<title>By: phill</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/06/24/developing-people/comment-page-1/#comment-155550</link>
		<dc:creator>phill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 01:14:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This a great list...can I use this on my blog...thanks for everything you do...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This a great list&#8230;can I use this on my blog&#8230;thanks for everything you do&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Chia</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/06/24/developing-people/comment-page-1/#comment-155536</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Chia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 18:30:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awesome post, although I'm wresting w/ #4

"You will see a better ministry return by investing in your star team members than you will by investing in weaker players."

I completely agree. From a logical point of view it makes sense. 

But didn't Jesus call us to an upside-down kingdom? Didn't Jesus focus on the weak, the sick and the outcast and build them up instead of going with the rich, attractive, cool, rock stars? 

I'm having trouble reconciling these two thoughts. Any insight?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awesome post, although I&#8217;m wresting w/ #4</p>
<p>&#8220;You will see a better ministry return by investing in your star team members than you will by investing in weaker players.&#8221;</p>
<p>I completely agree. From a logical point of view it makes sense. </p>
<p>But didn&#8217;t Jesus call us to an upside-down kingdom? Didn&#8217;t Jesus focus on the weak, the sick and the outcast and build them up instead of going with the rich, attractive, cool, rock stars? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m having trouble reconciling these two thoughts. Any insight?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom E. Snyder</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/06/24/developing-people/comment-page-1/#comment-155510</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom E. Snyder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 14:10:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff,

Craig was in the UM before starting LifeChurch.tv. Craig is not ordained. LifeChurch.tv is affiliated with the Evangelical Covenant Church (http://www.covchurch.org/). You might check them out. You might also check out the Association of Related Churches (http://relatedchurches.com/).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff,</p>
<p>Craig was in the UM before starting LifeChurch.tv. Craig is not ordained. LifeChurch.tv is affiliated with the Evangelical Covenant Church (http://www.covchurch.org/). You might check them out. You might also check out the Association of Related Churches (http://relatedchurches.com/).</p>
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		<title>By: Phil Thompson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil Thompson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:40:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Number two is worth repeating for sure! Developing strengths nets a bigger return than developing weaknesses.</description>
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		<title>By: Jason Curlee</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/06/24/developing-people/comment-page-1/#comment-155498</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason Curlee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don't intentionally develop your team...no one will.</description>
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		<title>By: JEFF</title>
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		<dc:creator>JEFF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 01:23:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig!

You're a busy guy...this is a long shot...got to take it though...do you have any pointers for me? I want to plant a church and preach. I am currently a youth minister (United Methodist)...UM will NOT ordain me because the seminary I attend is "too conservative"...I am thinking about changing denominations...but clueless...I burn to preach and to plant...any pointers..any blogs...any help I would praise Jesus for! Thanks dude</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig!</p>
<p>You&#8217;re a busy guy&#8230;this is a long shot&#8230;got to take it though&#8230;do you have any pointers for me? I want to plant a church and preach. I am currently a youth minister (United Methodist)&#8230;UM will NOT ordain me because the seminary I attend is &#8220;too conservative&#8221;&#8230;I am thinking about changing denominations&#8230;but clueless&#8230;I burn to preach and to plant&#8230;any pointers..any blogs&#8230;any help I would praise Jesus for! Thanks dude</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Bartlett</title>
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		<dc:creator>Simon Bartlett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 22:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Churches, especially the established as opposed to free church is pretty poor at developing new leaders. 

Now don't get me wrong - we go through the motions, but actually folk loose takes a lot of risk, and churches are risk averse. 

I was pleased to see Craig list of tips for developing people as he has identified several things we do not do in the established church. Here's the list with my thoughts bolted in..... 

- Honest, immediate, and consistent feedback on performance is invaluable.

Absolutely the case, but it must come from an authoritative, informed person who understands how to give positive feedback - you don't allow a free for all. 

- Developing strengths nets a bigger return than developing weaknesses.

And identifying weaknesses, and moving the person away from them also gives rewards. You use huge amounts of energy supporting poor performers. Maybe they should be doing something else.

- Developing others takes a ton of time in the early seasons and produces huge results with 
smaller investments in future seasons.

Jesus spent three years in daily contact with 12 guys. Look what we ended up with! Put quality time into those who you need to develop - don't slavishly follow a book and hope that it does enough. 

- You will see a better ministry return by investing in your star team members than you will by investing in weaker players.

Agreed - make the best better - they will be the ones who draw others forward and in turn develop them. 

- You will have to allow people to fail if you want them to improve.

But in a risk averse, we see failure as a sin! Criticism flies, confidence is knocked, letters are written etc. Christ accepted failure - why can't we? 

- Great coaches are great encourager's.

Frankly - that's the definition of a coach. A coach will find honest positives in all situations, and also be honest enough to point out issues and challenge poor behaviours. 

- If you don’t schedule intentional time for developing others, you aren’t likely to do it.

Left to their own devices, people give time to the things that light their candles. If you are turned on by something, you give the time to it. If you have a heart to develop others, you'll not only make finding the time easy, you'll look forward to it, and probably be pretty gifted at it. 

- God can use you to pull more out of a person than the person may believe exists.

Can't he just! A great coach inspires a can-do attitude. Christ honours that. 

- The person you are developing can also help develop you—if you will ask questions and listen.

This has happened to me. Somehow I ended up mentoring someone who I really did not expect to do so, and I have taken just as much from the relationship as they have. To do my job well, I have had to stop - think - pray - listen, then listen, then listen some more, then listen again, and finally, listen..........then I could speak. Boy did I learn a lot. Listening, that is really listening, and not thinking about what I was going to say next meant I had to rely on Christ, and that blessed us both. 

- The best people builders develop others to develop others.

A great test about someones motives - do they develop others, or do they just go through the motions whilst keeping them 'in their place'? It has to be asked. 

In my working life, we who are in management have a specific duty to develop our staff. I am required to coach and mentor the guys I line manage, and give them opportunities to develop and use the skills and knowledge they have learnt. It is a specific part of my job and part of my performance appraisal looks at how successful or otherwise I have been at this. To me we should be doing the same in our churches.

many thanks for the great blog Craig - Simes in the UK</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Churches, especially the established as opposed to free church is pretty poor at developing new leaders. </p>
<p>Now don&#8217;t get me wrong - we go through the motions, but actually folk loose takes a lot of risk, and churches are risk averse. </p>
<p>I was pleased to see Craig list of tips for developing people as he has identified several things we do not do in the established church. Here&#8217;s the list with my thoughts bolted in&#8230;.. </p>
<p>- Honest, immediate, and consistent feedback on performance is invaluable.</p>
<p>Absolutely the case, but it must come from an authoritative, informed person who understands how to give positive feedback - you don&#8217;t allow a free for all. </p>
<p>- Developing strengths nets a bigger return than developing weaknesses.</p>
<p>And identifying weaknesses, and moving the person away from them also gives rewards. You use huge amounts of energy supporting poor performers. Maybe they should be doing something else.</p>
<p>- Developing others takes a ton of time in the early seasons and produces huge results with<br />
smaller investments in future seasons.</p>
<p>Jesus spent three years in daily contact with 12 guys. Look what we ended up with! Put quality time into those who you need to develop - don&#8217;t slavishly follow a book and hope that it does enough. </p>
<p>- You will see a better ministry return by investing in your star team members than you will by investing in weaker players.</p>
<p>Agreed - make the best better - they will be the ones who draw others forward and in turn develop them. </p>
<p>- You will have to allow people to fail if you want them to improve.</p>
<p>But in a risk averse, we see failure as a sin! Criticism flies, confidence is knocked, letters are written etc. Christ accepted failure - why can&#8217;t we? </p>
<p>- Great coaches are great encourager&#8217;s.</p>
<p>Frankly - that&#8217;s the definition of a coach. A coach will find honest positives in all situations, and also be honest enough to point out issues and challenge poor behaviours. </p>
<p>- If you don’t schedule intentional time for developing others, you aren’t likely to do it.</p>
<p>Left to their own devices, people give time to the things that light their candles. If you are turned on by something, you give the time to it. If you have a heart to develop others, you&#8217;ll not only make finding the time easy, you&#8217;ll look forward to it, and probably be pretty gifted at it. </p>
<p>- God can use you to pull more out of a person than the person may believe exists.</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t he just! A great coach inspires a can-do attitude. Christ honours that. </p>
<p>- The person you are developing can also help develop you—if you will ask questions and listen.</p>
<p>This has happened to me. Somehow I ended up mentoring someone who I really did not expect to do so, and I have taken just as much from the relationship as they have. To do my job well, I have had to stop - think - pray - listen, then listen, then listen some more, then listen again, and finally, listen&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.then I could speak. Boy did I learn a lot. Listening, that is really listening, and not thinking about what I was going to say next meant I had to rely on Christ, and that blessed us both. </p>
<p>- The best people builders develop others to develop others.</p>
<p>A great test about someones motives - do they develop others, or do they just go through the motions whilst keeping them &#8216;in their place&#8217;? It has to be asked. </p>
<p>In my working life, we who are in management have a specific duty to develop our staff. I am required to coach and mentor the guys I line manage, and give them opportunities to develop and use the skills and knowledge they have learnt. It is a specific part of my job and part of my performance appraisal looks at how successful or otherwise I have been at this. To me we should be doing the same in our churches.</p>
<p>many thanks for the great blog Craig - Simes in the UK</p>
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		<title>By: A nice post on Developing People &#171; Darth Pastor</title>
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		<dc:creator>A nice post on Developing People &#171; Darth Pastor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 24, 2008   Craig Groeschel had a good post today on Developing People. This is starting to be my mantra, I feel like this is all I&#8217;m [...]</description>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This post is wisdom filled.  Did you develop the list from experiences or adapt it from someone who is pouring into you?
Thanks for sharing.

Blessings,
Jason</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This post is wisdom filled.  Did you develop the list from experiences or adapt it from someone who is pouring into you?<br />
Thanks for sharing.</p>
<p>Blessings,<br />
Jason</p>
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		<title>By: Troy Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Stephen,
Every Tuesday I do a lunch with my top 4 (at least that i what I call them).  They are 4 of our pastors.  We have lunch talk about the week, what went well what went not so well.  Right now we are working through a book called, "Know can do".  We spend about 1.5 hours talking about leadership, family and challenges.  

My wife does the same with the wives of those 4 guys.  She spends a bit longer because they like to talk.  But she does it every other week not every week.

When it comes down the line with the leaders in our church I use the Jesus style of time spending.  He spent a lot of time with the three (Peter, James and John),  He spent just a bit less with the 12, a bit less with the 70 and little with the multitude.  He also taught them differently.  He taught plain to the 3 and 12.  He taught in parables to the multitude.  It's hard but I do spend the most time with my strongest leaders.  I hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Stephen,<br />
Every Tuesday I do a lunch with my top 4 (at least that i what I call them).  They are 4 of our pastors.  We have lunch talk about the week, what went well what went not so well.  Right now we are working through a book called, &#8220;Know can do&#8221;.  We spend about 1.5 hours talking about leadership, family and challenges.  </p>
<p>My wife does the same with the wives of those 4 guys.  She spends a bit longer because they like to talk.  But she does it every other week not every week.</p>
<p>When it comes down the line with the leaders in our church I use the Jesus style of time spending.  He spent a lot of time with the three (Peter, James and John),  He spent just a bit less with the 12, a bit less with the 70 and little with the multitude.  He also taught them differently.  He taught plain to the 3 and 12.  He taught in parables to the multitude.  It&#8217;s hard but I do spend the most time with my strongest leaders.  I hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>By: Lance Young</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/06/24/developing-people/comment-page-1/#comment-155479</link>
		<dc:creator>Lance Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:48:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Guys and Gals,
I am filling in for Craig today.  Since he's not around, could any of you answer Steven's question as it pertains to you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Guys and Gals,<br />
I am filling in for Craig today.  Since he&#8217;s not around, could any of you answer Steven&#8217;s question as it pertains to you?</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Grach</title>
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		<dc:creator>Patrick Grach</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 19:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm discovering that as we make it our mission to develop leaders, we also must be willing to release them to live their destiny both INSIDE and OUTSIDE our church. I've been focused on bring the best out of people to advance the Cause of the "church" and now am shifting to develop and release leaders to fulfill their destiny regardless of whether they stay or go. It also changes leadership evaluations. Instead of critique leaders to help them fulfill a job description, I'm simply asking, "What's your passion and destiny? How can I help you live that?"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m discovering that as we make it our mission to develop leaders, we also must be willing to release them to live their destiny both INSIDE and OUTSIDE our church. I&#8217;ve been focused on bring the best out of people to advance the Cause of the &#8220;church&#8221; and now am shifting to develop and release leaders to fulfill their destiny regardless of whether they stay or go. It also changes leadership evaluations. Instead of critique leaders to help them fulfill a job description, I&#8217;m simply asking, &#8220;What&#8217;s your passion and destiny? How can I help you live that?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like to think of these in developing volunteers as well... 

Great coaches are great encouragers as well--this one is so true! 

Also, it is difficult, but helping people become developers as well is invaluable.  You may never know how far your influence might reach when you develope developers...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like to think of these in developing volunteers as well&#8230; </p>
<p>Great coaches are great encouragers as well&#8211;this one is so true! </p>
<p>Also, it is difficult, but helping people become developers as well is invaluable.  You may never know how far your influence might reach when you develope developers&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Dale Schaeffer</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/06/24/developing-people/comment-page-1/#comment-155475</link>
		<dc:creator>Dale Schaeffer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are you kidding me...seriously...are you kidding me...I've been praying about this issue of strategicly developing leaders for the last 2 months...I met with my staff this morning and presented a plan for me to personally begin mentoring all of my direct reports (because I haven't been doing it well up till now)...then I get on here and read this amazing post...God definitely is using Swerve and your thoughts to shape me as a leader...thanks for helping me become a better leader!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you kidding me&#8230;seriously&#8230;are you kidding me&#8230;I&#8217;ve been praying about this issue of strategicly developing leaders for the last 2 months&#8230;I met with my staff this morning and presented a plan for me to personally begin mentoring all of my direct reports (because I haven&#8217;t been doing it well up till now)&#8230;then I get on here and read this amazing post&#8230;God definitely is using Swerve and your thoughts to shape me as a leader&#8230;thanks for helping me become a better leader!</p>
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		<title>By: Troy Maxwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Troy Maxwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 14:07:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add that along with building skill sets and leadership skills that you invest in the relationship.  I have found that with relational "change in my pocket" that the influence of the leadership development goes a long way.  You can't do this with all that you are developing but you can with those key people on your staff.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add that along with building skill sets and leadership skills that you invest in the relationship.  I have found that with relational &#8220;change in my pocket&#8221; that the influence of the leadership development goes a long way.  You can&#8217;t do this with all that you are developing but you can with those key people on your staff.</p>
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		<title>By: Steven Dilla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steven Dilla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:49:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig - what does your strategic time for developing others look like?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig - what does your strategic time for developing others look like?</p>
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		<title>By: tony sheng</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/06/24/developing-people/comment-page-1/#comment-155469</link>
		<dc:creator>tony sheng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 13:48:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#10 - i think we've watered down the term "leader."  like neil cole has written, it's not just having followers, it's building others to lead.
this is a great series craig - really powerful stuff!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#10 - i think we&#8217;ve watered down the term &#8220;leader.&#8221;  like neil cole has written, it&#8217;s not just having followers, it&#8217;s building others to lead.<br />
this is a great series craig - really powerful stuff!</p>
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