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	<title>Comments on: The Challenge of Ministry Friendships 4 (of 5)</title>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-2/#comment-154836</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:26:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post Craig! I deal with this so much. it is refreshing to hear that I am not the only one that struggles with this. Thanks for your transparency…</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post Craig! I deal with this so much. it is refreshing to hear that I am not the only one that struggles with this. Thanks for your transparency…</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-2/#comment-154834</link>
		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 21:07:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Post Craig! I deal with this so much. it is refreshing to hear that I am not the only one that struggles with this. Thanks for your transparency...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Post Craig! I deal with this so much. it is refreshing to hear that I am not the only one that struggles with this. Thanks for your transparency&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-2/#comment-119171</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow I am not a pastor but my pastor is my third best friend after me Father and my wife.  Man I have really messed up each of these points!  Sorry Phil!  Love ya man!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow I am not a pastor but my pastor is my third best friend after me Father and my wife.  Man I have really messed up each of these points!  Sorry Phil!  Love ya man!</p>
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		<title>By: Bernard Shuford</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-2/#comment-118168</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernard Shuford</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 14:28:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My perspective on this... http://www.karnardkreations.com/bernardshuford/nfblog/2008/02/25/pastors-and-friendship/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My perspective on this&#8230; <a href="http://www.karnardkreations.com/bernardshuford/nfblog/2008/02/25/pastors-and-friendship/" rel="nofollow">http://www.karnardkreations.com/bernardshuford/nfblog/2008/02/25/pastors-and-friendship/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Bonnie</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-2/#comment-117975</link>
		<dc:creator>Bonnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 03:32:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Pastor is the best - we say hello every Sunday, sometimes we get to shake his hand. We know he has alot of "friends" to minister to every week at the 3 services. Thank you for the suggestions posted! I do believe we shall get our Pastor's family a gift card! Nice to show appreciation without being in his face, :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Pastor is the best - we say hello every Sunday, sometimes we get to shake his hand. We know he has alot of &#8220;friends&#8221; to minister to every week at the 3 services. Thank you for the suggestions posted! I do believe we shall get our Pastor&#8217;s family a gift card! Nice to show appreciation without being in his face, :-)</p>
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		<title>By: Charlie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charlie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Feb 2008 20:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmmm.

I hope that this somehow is helpful...not sure how...but here it goes...

Personally, I would not want to be friends with anyone that had a list that long just to qualify me to be considered one of his amigos. I am judged enough in life, in general, so I try not to bother with it from my "friends".

Perhaps Craig should pen an article on "How to Make Real Friends as a Pastor". Or perhaps a short story on "How to Get off Your Pedestal Long Enough to Act Ethically."

It seems to me like most pastors have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that compatibility between them and every single member of the congregation is unrealistic. Furthermore… leading on members of your church to believe that there is a chance for them to befriend you while you mock them to your family and staff might not be the best tactic in godliness. I understand that it may be difficult to say “no” to a volunteer in the kids’ room or tell one of your ushers that you would rather not hang out with him this Friday night. I also understand that you would rather not piss off any of the members that “get” the whole “tithing thing.” I just figured that a person that is so “in tune” that he is able to write a criteria to get on the waiting list to be his buddy (and then blog about it), might find it more fulfilling to study up on honesty with others and ethical behavior. He needs to find out how to fill his church seats without being a used car salesman and telling everyone what they want to hear from their good buddy Craig.

Maybe it is just a terrible misunderstanding on my part or a play on words on his. After all, I know a pastor that I consider to be a friend, and I also know a Pastor that simply makes considerations to befriend me. I love one of them effortlessly (and I try not to bug him too much). The other I struggle to love because I don’t respect him entirely (and I don’t bother bugging him at all)

Here is the deal.

I have had a bunch of teachers and mentors in my life. Most of which were extremely impactful and have help shaped the person that I am today. No of which have I ever mistook as a friend. They did not necessarily LOVE me. They were simply doing their job; and they did it well. You don’t have to be a friend to be helpful. Perhaps Craig should rethink the way that he “sells” to his congregation. He’s intentions is that of a teacher, but his impact is that of a friend. One has nothing to do with the other.

No one said that being a teacher to “many” meant that you needed to be a friend to “all”. 

My advice would be to for him to spend less time thinking about what annoys him about people, and more time understanding why so many are misinterpreting his message, that he feels the need to fire a shot across his pulpit to insure that no one would mistakenly shake his hand and offer him kindness as they know it. He needs to stop selling himself as everyone’s buddy when his microphone is cued and just teach people how to seek out a friend in Jesus. Who, by the way, has a much shorter list of qualifications for his friends.


That is a sad article, but there is a happy ending for Craig. He can keep writing about the way he selects his friends to the point that everyone that reads it feels like they are not good enough to live up to his expectations. Then he will get what he is asking for…

…lot’s of time alone to spend with those few that are lucky enough to make the cut. Hopefully the rest will stick around so that he can continue to pay the bills.

And across the room everyone said…..

(You don’t need to keep this posted, I’ll understand)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmmm.</p>
<p>I hope that this somehow is helpful&#8230;not sure how&#8230;but here it goes&#8230;</p>
<p>Personally, I would not want to be friends with anyone that had a list that long just to qualify me to be considered one of his amigos. I am judged enough in life, in general, so I try not to bother with it from my &#8220;friends&#8221;.</p>
<p>Perhaps Craig should pen an article on &#8220;How to Make Real Friends as a Pastor&#8221;. Or perhaps a short story on &#8220;How to Get off Your Pedestal Long Enough to Act Ethically.&#8221;</p>
<p>It seems to me like most pastors have a hard time coming to grips with the fact that compatibility between them and every single member of the congregation is unrealistic. Furthermore… leading on members of your church to believe that there is a chance for them to befriend you while you mock them to your family and staff might not be the best tactic in godliness. I understand that it may be difficult to say “no” to a volunteer in the kids’ room or tell one of your ushers that you would rather not hang out with him this Friday night. I also understand that you would rather not piss off any of the members that “get” the whole “tithing thing.” I just figured that a person that is so “in tune” that he is able to write a criteria to get on the waiting list to be his buddy (and then blog about it), might find it more fulfilling to study up on honesty with others and ethical behavior. He needs to find out how to fill his church seats without being a used car salesman and telling everyone what they want to hear from their good buddy Craig.</p>
<p>Maybe it is just a terrible misunderstanding on my part or a play on words on his. After all, I know a pastor that I consider to be a friend, and I also know a Pastor that simply makes considerations to befriend me. I love one of them effortlessly (and I try not to bug him too much). The other I struggle to love because I don’t respect him entirely (and I don’t bother bugging him at all)</p>
<p>Here is the deal.</p>
<p>I have had a bunch of teachers and mentors in my life. Most of which were extremely impactful and have help shaped the person that I am today. No of which have I ever mistook as a friend. They did not necessarily LOVE me. They were simply doing their job; and they did it well. You don’t have to be a friend to be helpful. Perhaps Craig should rethink the way that he “sells” to his congregation. He’s intentions is that of a teacher, but his impact is that of a friend. One has nothing to do with the other.</p>
<p>No one said that being a teacher to “many” meant that you needed to be a friend to “all”. </p>
<p>My advice would be to for him to spend less time thinking about what annoys him about people, and more time understanding why so many are misinterpreting his message, that he feels the need to fire a shot across his pulpit to insure that no one would mistakenly shake his hand and offer him kindness as they know it. He needs to stop selling himself as everyone’s buddy when his microphone is cued and just teach people how to seek out a friend in Jesus. Who, by the way, has a much shorter list of qualifications for his friends.</p>
<p>That is a sad article, but there is a happy ending for Craig. He can keep writing about the way he selects his friends to the point that everyone that reads it feels like they are not good enough to live up to his expectations. Then he will get what he is asking for…</p>
<p>…lot’s of time alone to spend with those few that are lucky enough to make the cut. Hopefully the rest will stick around so that he can continue to pay the bills.</p>
<p>And across the room everyone said…..</p>
<p>(You don’t need to keep this posted, I’ll understand)</p>
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		<title>By: Gina</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 23:39:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Neither my husband nor I are pastors and I didn't grow up in a church culture, so this whole "cult of personality" thing that surrounds pastors is fascinating to me. Why do many church members expect an inappropriately intimate relationship with their pastor? Jesus had his 3/12/masses, so do you and so does your pastor. I think the bottom line is motivation. Why are you seeking to befriend the pastor - for your benefit or his? If your attempts at friendship are not met with the results you desire and you get offended, that may be a key to your motivation.  Instead of trying to love your pastor the way you want to love him, how about loving him the way he and his family need it? (Hmmm, sounds like a book I read once about love languages!) Thanks for a list that shows us how to love our pastors in a way that truly blesses them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Neither my husband nor I are pastors and I didn&#8217;t grow up in a church culture, so this whole &#8220;cult of personality&#8221; thing that surrounds pastors is fascinating to me. Why do many church members expect an inappropriately intimate relationship with their pastor? Jesus had his 3/12/masses, so do you and so does your pastor. I think the bottom line is motivation. Why are you seeking to befriend the pastor - for your benefit or his? If your attempts at friendship are not met with the results you desire and you get offended, that may be a key to your motivation.  Instead of trying to love your pastor the way you want to love him, how about loving him the way he and his family need it? (Hmmm, sounds like a book I read once about love languages!) Thanks for a list that shows us how to love our pastors in a way that truly blesses them.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastors &#38; Friendships, Part 2 : Pastor For Life</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-2/#comment-117239</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastors &#38; Friendships, Part 2 : Pastor For Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Feb 2008 00:03:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check out Part 1 here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: michaeldanner</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-2/#comment-116876</link>
		<dc:creator>michaeldanner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I've enjoyed reading your input on the topic... A few additional thoughts...

First,  I think Tony's post underscores the point.  If a pastor talks about his/her life and the challenges that come from their experience, people can't just listen.

Second, for a congregation member to become friends with a pastor, they have to expand their friendship circle by one family.  But for every congregation member to become friends with the pastor, the pastor has to expand their friendship circle the size of the church.  Even in a small church, this is impossible. 

Third, I think we need to pay more attention to the issues that John L raised in his response.  According to statistic cited in Barna's new book Pagan Christianity, 80% of pastors believe that pastoral ministry effects their families negatively.  

Four, we're not all the same and we change too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve enjoyed reading your input on the topic&#8230; A few additional thoughts&#8230;</p>
<p>First,  I think Tony&#8217;s post underscores the point.  If a pastor talks about his/her life and the challenges that come from their experience, people can&#8217;t just listen.</p>
<p>Second, for a congregation member to become friends with a pastor, they have to expand their friendship circle by one family.  But for every congregation member to become friends with the pastor, the pastor has to expand their friendship circle the size of the church.  Even in a small church, this is impossible. </p>
<p>Third, I think we need to pay more attention to the issues that John L raised in his response.  According to statistic cited in Barna&#8217;s new book Pagan Christianity, 80% of pastors believe that pastoral ministry effects their families negatively.  </p>
<p>Four, we&#8217;re not all the same and we change too.</p>
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		<title>By: The Pastor&#8217;s Friends &#171; charlieDEAN&#8217;S Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Pastor&#8217;s Friends &#171; charlieDEAN&#8217;S Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:57:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In particular I really liked the last two posts, &#8220;Becoming Friends with Your Pastor: Part A &#38; Part B.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t agree exactly with all 15 points, but a lot of them are [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In particular I really liked the last two posts, &#8220;Becoming Friends with Your Pastor: Part A &amp; Part B.&#8221;  I don&#8217;t agree exactly with all 15 points, but a lot of them are [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Groeschel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Craig Groeschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 14:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Carolyn, Thanks for expressing your perspective. Like I said, I know some people will disagree. I pray God blesses you with more close friends in Wyoming.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Carolyn, Thanks for expressing your perspective. Like I said, I know some people will disagree. I pray God blesses you with more close friends in Wyoming.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 07:01:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well I guess I am the lone dissenter on this subject.  I was tracking with you, Craig, up until now.   I’m glad that probably no one in our church reads this blog. Although I have to admit, up to this point I was wishing that some of our people could read the previous three posts.  I am the wife of an assistant pastor.   Much of the way I receive love is through time spent and through acts of service.  It would absolutely bless my socks off if someone invited my husband and I over to their house or offered to baby-sit my kids.  It would mean far, far more to me than a gift card or a note – not that I don’t appreciate those too.  Being from California and then moving to Wyoming two years ago, I assumed that people would be much more hospitable here -- especially compared to California.  I was so wrong.  Yes, we did have a handful of people invite us over initially with in the first 3 months or so, but beyond that, we have been the primary initiators with very little reciprocation (with the exception of a few people, mainly staff members).  Forming friendships has been hard.  After about 4 months of feeling awkward and lonely as the newcomer, I was so blessed to have a “pushy” South African friend who not only invited our entire family over for dinner, but also invited me to tea, watched my kids, etc., etc.  This was someone who was not a taker at all but was so giving and encouraged me in my walk with the Lord more than anyone I had met in a long time.  She ended up moving away.  But she was God’s gift to me during a very difficult time.  And an inspiration to me to be looking for ways to encourage others. As a former missionary, it has been one of my primary burdens that we don't practice the one anothers more in the church in this country.   I long for an Acts type of church where there was community and the looking out for one anothers needs.  I know they definitely shared meals together and I imagined they watched each others kids as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well I guess I am the lone dissenter on this subject.  I was tracking with you, Craig, up until now.   I’m glad that probably no one in our church reads this blog. Although I have to admit, up to this point I was wishing that some of our people could read the previous three posts.  I am the wife of an assistant pastor.   Much of the way I receive love is through time spent and through acts of service.  It would absolutely bless my socks off if someone invited my husband and I over to their house or offered to baby-sit my kids.  It would mean far, far more to me than a gift card or a note – not that I don’t appreciate those too.  Being from California and then moving to Wyoming two years ago, I assumed that people would be much more hospitable here &#8212; especially compared to California.  I was so wrong.  Yes, we did have a handful of people invite us over initially with in the first 3 months or so, but beyond that, we have been the primary initiators with very little reciprocation (with the exception of a few people, mainly staff members).  Forming friendships has been hard.  After about 4 months of feeling awkward and lonely as the newcomer, I was so blessed to have a “pushy” South African friend who not only invited our entire family over for dinner, but also invited me to tea, watched my kids, etc., etc.  This was someone who was not a taker at all but was so giving and encouraged me in my walk with the Lord more than anyone I had met in a long time.  She ended up moving away.  But she was God’s gift to me during a very difficult time.  And an inspiration to me to be looking for ways to encourage others. As a former missionary, it has been one of my primary burdens that we don&#8217;t practice the one anothers more in the church in this country.   I long for an Acts type of church where there was community and the looking out for one anothers needs.  I know they definitely shared meals together and I imagined they watched each others kids as well.</p>
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		<title>By: How to treat your pastor&#8230; &#171; From The Mind of MandoRon</title>
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		<dc:creator>How to treat your pastor&#8230; &#171; From The Mind of MandoRon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to treat your&#160;pastor&#8230; February 21, 2008 Posted by mandoron in Misc..  trackback  Craig has some great suggestions on how to have a friendship with your [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for the advice Craig.</description>
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		<title>By: Ministry Friendships &#171; timmcollins.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ministry Friendships &#171; timmcollins.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 03:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it was interesting reading.  Check out the original post here -  I think he&#8217;ll add more on this subject [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Steve Hickey</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-116701</link>
		<dc:creator>Steve Hickey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great stuff!  My wife is going to frame this post or anonymously put it on a bulletin board at church.  Reading it brought to mind a few summers ago a "generous" church friend offered that we take a few days and stay in a vacation house he had - four wheelers for my teenagers, etc. etc.  We were stoked! 

This fellow decided to meet us at the place, unlock it and show us around. That seemed fine to us, although it was unnecessary.  We asked him to eat dinner with us that first night and had a good visit.  He decided to stay in town that first night and return in the morning to work on something.  He stayed the entire three days - ate with us at every meal.  We didn't get to let our hair down once.  He said he needed some "pastor time" and made time to get to know each of my kids.  It was weird and it was horrible.  

Lesson - if you are going to let your pastor have your lake home - you go home and let him relax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great stuff!  My wife is going to frame this post or anonymously put it on a bulletin board at church.  Reading it brought to mind a few summers ago a &#8220;generous&#8221; church friend offered that we take a few days and stay in a vacation house he had - four wheelers for my teenagers, etc. etc.  We were stoked! </p>
<p>This fellow decided to meet us at the place, unlock it and show us around. That seemed fine to us, although it was unnecessary.  We asked him to eat dinner with us that first night and had a good visit.  He decided to stay in town that first night and return in the morning to work on something.  He stayed the entire three days - ate with us at every meal.  We didn&#8217;t get to let our hair down once.  He said he needed some &#8220;pastor time&#8221; and made time to get to know each of my kids.  It was weird and it was horrible.  </p>
<p>Lesson - if you are going to let your pastor have your lake home - you go home and let him relax.</p>
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		<title>By: Pastors &#38; Friendships : Pastor For Life</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-116691</link>
		<dc:creator>Pastors &#38; Friendships : Pastor For Life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:15:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check it out here. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Joe Louthan</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-116642</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Louthan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 22:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In other words, be mindful.

I am not going to try to beat down my pastors because their time is pulled every which way.  What makes me ask is this, "How can I serve the Lord?  How can I help shoulder that burden?"

Many people feel like you have to have close personal relationships in order to help that person out.  How much more powerful is the love of Christ when we help others who don't even know us?

What goes for the poor, the homeless, the orphan, the widow, the sick and the prisoner goes just as well for your friend, neighbor, business associate, ex-wife or even your pastor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, be mindful.</p>
<p>I am not going to try to beat down my pastors because their time is pulled every which way.  What makes me ask is this, &#8220;How can I serve the Lord?  How can I help shoulder that burden?&#8221;</p>
<p>Many people feel like you have to have close personal relationships in order to help that person out.  How much more powerful is the love of Christ when we help others who don&#8217;t even know us?</p>
<p>What goes for the poor, the homeless, the orphan, the widow, the sick and the prisoner goes just as well for your friend, neighbor, business associate, ex-wife or even your pastor.</p>
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		<title>By: Hope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 21:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it's very sad that many congregants place their pastors in a fishbowl condominium. I think that our society is being pervaded by a spirit of entitlement - "you're my pastor, I pay your salary and therefore you owe me." Wake up people - they work for God and serve us. We're called to be disciples (FOLLOWERS and DOERS...imitators of Christ... not watchers and hearers). It might not sound very tolerant or Christian of me but I am like a mother hen when it comes to the pastors and leaders of our home church, maybe even a lioness. Thank you to all the pastors who are brave enough to share openly, honestly and vulnerably. I pray that God surrounds you all with a rubber suit of Godly Armour on which everything negative, or unconstructive, will simply bounce off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s very sad that many congregants place their pastors in a fishbowl condominium. I think that our society is being pervaded by a spirit of entitlement - &#8220;you&#8217;re my pastor, I pay your salary and therefore you owe me.&#8221; Wake up people - they work for God and serve us. We&#8217;re called to be disciples (FOLLOWERS and DOERS&#8230;imitators of Christ&#8230; not watchers and hearers). It might not sound very tolerant or Christian of me but I am like a mother hen when it comes to the pastors and leaders of our home church, maybe even a lioness. Thank you to all the pastors who are brave enough to share openly, honestly and vulnerably. I pray that God surrounds you all with a rubber suit of Godly Armour on which everything negative, or unconstructive, will simply bounce off.</p>
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		<title>By: Being friends with a pastor &#171; Just some thoughts&#8230;</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2008/02/21/the-challenge-of-ministry-friendships-4-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-116622</link>
		<dc:creator>Being friends with a pastor &#171; Just some thoughts&#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:58:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] February 22, 2008 &#183; No Comments  Craig Groeschel, pastor of Life Church in Oklahoma has some great thoughts about how to be friends with a pastor. Check it out by clicking here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] February 22, 2008 &middot; No Comments  Craig Groeschel, pastor of Life Church in Oklahoma has some great thoughts about how to be friends with a pastor. Check it out by clicking here. [...]</p>
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