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	<title>Comments on: My Transsexual Friend</title>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-168994</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 26 Feb 2010 05:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great story. I came across this because I just discovered that an old friend of mine is in a similar situation: he recently started living as a woman, but he says he’s “confused” about religion and I want to help him find his way back. Thanks for the push in the right direction. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great story. I came across this because I just discovered that an old friend of mine is in a similar situation: he recently started living as a woman, but he says he’s “confused” about religion and I want to help him find his way back. Thanks for the push in the right direction. :-)</p>
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		<title>By: ms.claudia hillman</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-163898</link>
		<dc:creator>ms.claudia hillman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 25 Apr 2009 05:37:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a transsexual woman and a christian.transsexualism is a birth defect.you are very uneducated thinking people that are transsexuals are sinful and going to hell.I am discrimnated against everyday by right wing religious nuts.I cant get a job or go to school because of narrow minded people like you.transsexuals cannot change what they are through religion.I intend to live the rest of my life as a woman and am not planning to go to hell</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a transsexual woman and a christian.transsexualism is a birth defect.you are very uneducated thinking people that are transsexuals are sinful and going to hell.I am discrimnated against everyday by right wing religious nuts.I cant get a job or go to school because of narrow minded people like you.transsexuals cannot change what they are through religion.I intend to live the rest of my life as a woman and am not planning to go to hell</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Gruenewald</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-162289</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby Gruenewald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 20:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a note to whoever is currently trying to submit an anonymous comment on this post.  I'm happy to post your comment if you will reduce the length of it.  It is way too long.  I would have sent you an email explaining, but I do not have your address. Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a note to whoever is currently trying to submit an anonymous comment on this post.  I&#8217;m happy to post your comment if you will reduce the length of it.  It is way too long.  I would have sent you an email explaining, but I do not have your address. Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Darren</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-131625</link>
		<dc:creator>Darren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby, I just ran across your post regarding your transsexual friend who I know as well from our college days. I actually saw her about five years ago after she had the surgery when she was in town visiting one of our old college friends and have been praying for her on a regular basis. I am beyond excited to hear that she accepted Christ. We should never give up on witnessing to those who do not know Christ no matter their lifestyle. I have two gay friends I bring to LifeChurch.tv whenever they come to visit. I have been chastised for it by some people, but I believe seeds are being planted in their lives and God can change their hearts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby, I just ran across your post regarding your transsexual friend who I know as well from our college days. I actually saw her about five years ago after she had the surgery when she was in town visiting one of our old college friends and have been praying for her on a regular basis. I am beyond excited to hear that she accepted Christ. We should never give up on witnessing to those who do not know Christ no matter their lifestyle. I have two gay friends I bring to LifeChurch.tv whenever they come to visit. I have been chastised for it by some people, but I believe seeds are being planted in their lives and God can change their hearts.</p>
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		<title>By: Carolyn</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-128792</link>
		<dc:creator>Carolyn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:12:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm transsexual and I have been on the receiving side of stories like this. And gratefully, 99% of my friends did stay friends after learning of my change. So your story rings true about my experience also. 

Carolyn</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m transsexual and I have been on the receiving side of stories like this. And gratefully, 99% of my friends did stay friends after learning of my change. So your story rings true about my experience also. </p>
<p>Carolyn</p>
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		<title>By: Anon.</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-109796</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 21:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby,

I am really touched by your story.  While I am a Christian, I have been severely hurt by other "Christians."  I am a transsexual myself, but not fully in the process.  It is a dark - very dark - world that we live in.  We hate and despise ourselves.  We need someone to lean against who we know will love us.  That is the kindest thing you could have done for your friend.  I urge you, oh do I urge you, to watch your friend as she transitions back.  Make sure that is the choice she is REALLY wanting to make.  Also, if at all possible, watch her mental health.  The suicide rate among transitioning transsexuals is just too high.  

As for me... I pray and pray and pray, but I feel as if I get the same answer from God.  "Do as you must to serve me best."  Maybe that means I would serve him better if I transition.  Maybe that means he wants me to transition, and the transition back and provide help making the decision for others.  I do believe He would rather me live my life as the opposite gender and not bring death to myself.  And I highly fear I will if I don't do this.  However, I also believe that us humans can never go against His ultimate will.  Never.  What is his ultimate will?  Depends on how we translate what the Bible says. And we are humans translating holy word...  I don't think we will ever get it with out human flaw being in our interpretations. 

But I do believe that this is true:  unconditional love.  Thank God you have it, Bobby.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby,</p>
<p>I am really touched by your story.  While I am a Christian, I have been severely hurt by other &#8220;Christians.&#8221;  I am a transsexual myself, but not fully in the process.  It is a dark - very dark - world that we live in.  We hate and despise ourselves.  We need someone to lean against who we know will love us.  That is the kindest thing you could have done for your friend.  I urge you, oh do I urge you, to watch your friend as she transitions back.  Make sure that is the choice she is REALLY wanting to make.  Also, if at all possible, watch her mental health.  The suicide rate among transitioning transsexuals is just too high.  </p>
<p>As for me&#8230; I pray and pray and pray, but I feel as if I get the same answer from God.  &#8220;Do as you must to serve me best.&#8221;  Maybe that means I would serve him better if I transition.  Maybe that means he wants me to transition, and the transition back and provide help making the decision for others.  I do believe He would rather me live my life as the opposite gender and not bring death to myself.  And I highly fear I will if I don&#8217;t do this.  However, I also believe that us humans can never go against His ultimate will.  Never.  What is his ultimate will?  Depends on how we translate what the Bible says. And we are humans translating holy word&#8230;  I don&#8217;t think we will ever get it with out human flaw being in our interpretations. </p>
<p>But I do believe that this is true:  unconditional love.  Thank God you have it, Bobby.</p>
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		<title>By: Riftgirl</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-102603</link>
		<dc:creator>Riftgirl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 03:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bobby, I can't even begin to tell you how touched I am that you took the time to respond to my post - and in such a great and open manner. I guess what I didn't clarify (as it's just a link) is that it wasn't your post that upset me, as some of the comments left in regard to it. Thank you so much for taking the time to write me. Your friend is truly blessed, indeed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bobby, I can&#8217;t even begin to tell you how touched I am that you took the time to respond to my post - and in such a great and open manner. I guess what I didn&#8217;t clarify (as it&#8217;s just a link) is that it wasn&#8217;t your post that upset me, as some of the comments left in regard to it. Thank you so much for taking the time to write me. Your friend is truly blessed, indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby Gruenewald</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-84890</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby Gruenewald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2008 00:33:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sophia,

Thanks for visiting our blog.  I think if you carefully read the post and the comments I've made...you'll be able to see that what you are suggesting is simply not the case.   I've never attempted to persuade my friend to change back to a man.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sophia,</p>
<p>Thanks for visiting our blog.  I think if you carefully read the post and the comments I&#8217;ve made&#8230;you&#8217;ll be able to see that what you are suggesting is simply not the case.   I&#8217;ve never attempted to persuade my friend to change back to a man.</p>
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		<title>By: Sophia</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-84881</link>
		<dc:creator>Sophia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 23:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congratulations!

You used your friend's vulnerable situation of having been rejected by so many people - and your own status as being one of few people who hadn't *completely* rejected her -- to convince her to going back to living in a role that she *stopped* living in because she couldn't fit into that role!

If you let her go ahead with this de-transition, she will find out that she is just as unable to live in the male role now as she was then - and when her second transition isn't as successful as the first time, guess who she'll have to blame? That's right. You.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congratulations!</p>
<p>You used your friend&#8217;s vulnerable situation of having been rejected by so many people - and your own status as being one of few people who hadn&#8217;t *completely* rejected her &#8212; to convince her to going back to living in a role that she *stopped* living in because she couldn&#8217;t fit into that role!</p>
<p>If you let her go ahead with this de-transition, she will find out that she is just as unable to live in the male role now as she was then - and when her second transition isn&#8217;t as successful as the first time, guess who she&#8217;ll have to blame? That&#8217;s right. You.</p>
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		<title>By: Top Swerve Posts of 2007 at LifeChurch.tv : swerve</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-84626</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2008 02:09:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bobby Gruenewald</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-83188</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby Gruenewald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Dec 2007 05:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gabe,

I'm certainly not looking for pats on the back.  I wish I could say that the way I responded to my friend has always been the norm for me, but I can't.  My praise goes to God for how He can work in all of our imperfections (mine and my friend's).  I shared my experience because I know that the Church (particularly in America) seems to also struggle with how to respond appropriately to people like my friend.  It should not be that way...you are absolutely right.

I think many of the responses indicate that people are feeling the same conviction that I did through this experience.  I see the "pats on the back" as simple expressions of agreement or encouragement more than praise.  I don't mind the contrast of opinions/perspective from some of the responses...contrast tends to help people see things more clearly - at least that is how it works in the settings on my tv :)

I pray that God might use the post to help people see and do just what you have suggested and treat all people in a Christ-like manner.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gabe,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m certainly not looking for pats on the back.  I wish I could say that the way I responded to my friend has always been the norm for me, but I can&#8217;t.  My praise goes to God for how He can work in all of our imperfections (mine and my friend&#8217;s).  I shared my experience because I know that the Church (particularly in America) seems to also struggle with how to respond appropriately to people like my friend.  It should not be that way&#8230;you are absolutely right.</p>
<p>I think many of the responses indicate that people are feeling the same conviction that I did through this experience.  I see the &#8220;pats on the back&#8221; as simple expressions of agreement or encouragement more than praise.  I don&#8217;t mind the contrast of opinions/perspective from some of the responses&#8230;contrast tends to help people see things more clearly - at least that is how it works in the settings on my tv :)</p>
<p>I pray that God might use the post to help people see and do just what you have suggested and treat all people in a Christ-like manner.</p>
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		<title>By: Gabe</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-83080</link>
		<dc:creator>Gabe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Dec 2007 23:20:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, I have been reading the responses and everyone is patting you on the back for treating someone like a human being.  I give her the credit for walking this through with God.  Perhaps had she been treated in a christ like manner in the beginning, she would have been sparred some pain.  I'm also amazed at how much judgement has been passed.  It only makes me want to judge as well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, I have been reading the responses and everyone is patting you on the back for treating someone like a human being.  I give her the credit for walking this through with God.  Perhaps had she been treated in a christ like manner in the beginning, she would have been sparred some pain.  I&#8217;m also amazed at how much judgement has been passed.  It only makes me want to judge as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Thoughts from a transsexual</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-78294</link>
		<dc:creator>Thoughts from a transsexual</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As a transsexual I can say that it is not a sin to be oneself, rather it is being true to God. I am the way I am because god made me to be this person and to affect the world as this person.
I am not a Christian, but when I think of love I think of happiness for others and joy. How can you extend love to a transsexual if you do not celebrate them as they are or are happy for them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a transsexual I can say that it is not a sin to be oneself, rather it is being true to God. I am the way I am because god made me to be this person and to affect the world as this person.<br />
I am not a Christian, but when I think of love I think of happiness for others and joy. How can you extend love to a transsexual if you do not celebrate them as they are or are happy for them?</p>
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		<title>By: Donna</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-71480</link>
		<dc:creator>Donna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2007 00:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen!  I am so glad you did not give up on your friend even if it was very awkward.  God will do amazing things if we are obedient to His Word in how to treat others.  God bless you and your friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen!  I am so glad you did not give up on your friend even if it was very awkward.  God will do amazing things if we are obedient to His Word in how to treat others.  God bless you and your friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Bobby&#8217;s Transsexual Friend &#171; CraigGorc&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-71363</link>
		<dc:creator>Bobby&#8217;s Transsexual Friend &#171; CraigGorc&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 21:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bianca</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-71302</link>
		<dc:creator>Bianca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 19:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Travis,
Your children will come across homosexuality in thier lives no matter what! God has a plan for your children and with prayer and you ministering to them they will know better than  to take the road of sin. Complete shelter will not give them room to live and learn, and God wants his children to gain wisdom. To oppose your brother's homosexuality risks a family beeing broken apart. MY ADVISE TO YOU~ GIVE IT TO GOD TO TAKE CARE OF AND
 DONT TRY AND MANIPULATE OTHERS; PRAY FOR THEM TO ACQUIRE WISDOM INSTEAD. IT IS ALL IN HIS HANDS, NOT WITHIN YOUR POWER, HE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT IF YOU JUST BELIEVE, PRAY, AND SERVE HIM.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Travis,<br />
Your children will come across homosexuality in thier lives no matter what! God has a plan for your children and with prayer and you ministering to them they will know better than  to take the road of sin. Complete shelter will not give them room to live and learn, and God wants his children to gain wisdom. To oppose your brother&#8217;s homosexuality risks a family beeing broken apart. MY ADVISE TO YOU~ GIVE IT TO GOD TO TAKE CARE OF AND<br />
 DONT TRY AND MANIPULATE OTHERS; PRAY FOR THEM TO ACQUIRE WISDOM INSTEAD. IT IS ALL IN HIS HANDS, NOT WITHIN YOUR POWER, HE WILL TAKE CARE OF IT IF YOU JUST BELIEVE, PRAY, AND SERVE HIM.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg Atkinson</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-71237</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Dec 2007 16:34:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great story, Bobby.</description>
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		<title>By: Bryan Riley</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-2/#comment-71036</link>
		<dc:creator>Bryan Riley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 22:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Praise the Lord we all serve a God of great grace.  Thank you for sharing this story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Praise the Lord we all serve a God of great grace.  Thank you for sharing this story.</p>
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		<title>By: FriendlyChristian.com &#187; Archive &#187; A Pastor And His Transsexual Friend</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-1/#comment-70897</link>
		<dc:creator>FriendlyChristian.com &#187; Archive &#187; A Pastor And His Transsexual Friend</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 14:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] out this article written by Bobby Gruenewald, a pastor at LifeChurch.tv. Last year, I wanted to reconnect with a [...]</description>
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		<title>By: phil baker</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/11/30/my-transsexual-friend/comment-page-1/#comment-70405</link>
		<dc:creator>phil baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Dec 2007 12:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a pastor of a large church and my dad...the previous pastor..left the ministry when his marriage broke up.It turns out he is gay. As a result I have baggage in that I firmly believe that the willful action vs orientation debate is sigificantly changed when a good friend, relative or child is struggling in this area.....We decided to be a church that is open to sexually broken people of all sorts A friend of mine who lived as a woman for 3 years until he had a God encounter, knows personally 11 transexuals who decided to reverse the surgery....Interestingly [and I think obviously] all were in warm, grace-filled churches who accepted them as they were and in that enviroment without anyone prescibing a recommended pathway they all came to a decision which was a 'God and them' decision....From memory their journey times were between 3 and 9 years...So I teach truth with good doses of mystery and refuse to operate as an ecclesiastical policeman...
Maybe it is easier overhere as the level of paranoia seems to be lower in Australia than in the mid-west of America but a lot of the harsh judgementalism coming from christian leaders in the states [as well as over here] can result in our young people suiciding or apostacising rathet than moving forward on their journey with Christ in what must be very difficult circumstances...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a pastor of a large church and my dad&#8230;the previous pastor..left the ministry when his marriage broke up.It turns out he is gay. As a result I have baggage in that I firmly believe that the willful action vs orientation debate is sigificantly changed when a good friend, relative or child is struggling in this area&#8230;..We decided to be a church that is open to sexually broken people of all sorts A friend of mine who lived as a woman for 3 years until he had a God encounter, knows personally 11 transexuals who decided to reverse the surgery&#8230;.Interestingly [and I think obviously] all were in warm, grace-filled churches who accepted them as they were and in that enviroment without anyone prescibing a recommended pathway they all came to a decision which was a &#8216;God and them&#8217; decision&#8230;.From memory their journey times were between 3 and 9 years&#8230;So I teach truth with good doses of mystery and refuse to operate as an ecclesiastical policeman&#8230;<br />
Maybe it is easier overhere as the level of paranoia seems to be lower in Australia than in the mid-west of America but a lot of the harsh judgementalism coming from christian leaders in the states [as well as over here] can result in our young people suiciding or apostacising rathet than moving forward on their journey with Christ in what must be very difficult circumstances&#8230;</p>
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