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	<title>Comments on: Give Up To Go Up 2 (of 5)</title>
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		<title>By: Hardly Normal &#124; Some great posts</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hardly Normal &#124; Some great posts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Sep 2007 04:18:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Check it out here! So far posts ONE and TWO are my favs [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Check it out here! So far posts ONE and TWO are my favs [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, 

I'd also be interested to hear your insight on "how to develop thick skin without getting a calloused heart."</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, </p>
<p>I&#8217;d also be interested to hear your insight on &#8220;how to develop thick skin without getting a calloused heart.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Ray</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/09/11/give-up-to-go-up-2-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-40601</link>
		<dc:creator>Ray</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 18:32:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig, 

Wow.  Brother, by God's grace the Holy Spirit is all over you!  This blog has been so helpful to me.  My fear is that, I'll want to return to some of these posts (and some of the comments) in a few years when I'll need them again but not be able to find them.  Have you considered consolidating these into a book?  Please consider it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig, </p>
<p>Wow.  Brother, by God&#8217;s grace the Holy Spirit is all over you!  This blog has been so helpful to me.  My fear is that, I&#8217;ll want to return to some of these posts (and some of the comments) in a few years when I&#8217;ll need them again but not be able to find them.  Have you considered consolidating these into a book?  Please consider it.</p>
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		<title>By: Sam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:45:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ouch. Like the quick removal of a band-aid. Great post.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ouch. Like the quick removal of a band-aid. Great post.</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Groeschel</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/09/11/give-up-to-go-up-2-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-40557</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Groeschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 16:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>John, Glad you decided to stop arguing with your critics. That's one battle few win. 

Brandon, You hit on some great points... Preparing messages should be done out of obedience to what God wants us to say instead of what people will think! Also, you are so right about family. You may be able to endure critics, but it is often harder on your wife when she hears bad stuff about you. 

Bob and Jim, I'm so glad these posts are somewhat helpful. Thank you for contributing your thoughts!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, Glad you decided to stop arguing with your critics. That&#8217;s one battle few win. </p>
<p>Brandon, You hit on some great points&#8230; Preparing messages should be done out of obedience to what God wants us to say instead of what people will think! Also, you are so right about family. You may be able to endure critics, but it is often harder on your wife when she hears bad stuff about you. </p>
<p>Bob and Jim, I&#8217;m so glad these posts are somewhat helpful. Thank you for contributing your thoughts!</p>
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		<title>By: Links 9-12-07 &#171; The Journey Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Links 9-12-07 &#171; The Journey Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Craig Groeschel on  your reputation taking a beating when you serve God. The ministry isn&#8217;t all roses? Seriously? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Jim Ladd</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/09/11/give-up-to-go-up-2-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-40550</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim Ladd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 15:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wow, Craig, what a timely word from God for my life!!

I'm in a situation where strong leadership is required and tough decisions are needed and I've been, as I reflect honestly, very concerned about my reputation rather than the health, strength and destiny of the church. 

Thanks for being used by God to speak directly to me. I'm challenged to lead strong, under the Lordship of Jesus, and leave reputations to Him.

Thanks for blogging!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, Craig, what a timely word from God for my life!!</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in a situation where strong leadership is required and tough decisions are needed and I&#8217;ve been, as I reflect honestly, very concerned about my reputation rather than the health, strength and destiny of the church. </p>
<p>Thanks for being used by God to speak directly to me. I&#8217;m challenged to lead strong, under the Lordship of Jesus, and leave reputations to Him.</p>
<p>Thanks for blogging!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Spradlin</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/09/11/give-up-to-go-up-2-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-40315</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Spradlin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Sep 2007 04:06:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find myself falling into a reputation management trap at times.  Brennan Manning's "Abbas Child" is a great read that helps me re-center.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find myself falling into a reputation management trap at times.  Brennan Manning&#8217;s &#8220;Abbas Child&#8221; is a great read that helps me re-center.</p>
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		<title>By: bob robbins</title>
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		<dc:creator>bob robbins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 20:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig thank you this is good stuff!

I am not sure I can say why but I always think I can convert my critics into liking me and then it never works. I need to learn from my past experiences.

I do feel very blessed because a year into our launch I have had very few critics and the ones I have had I did not internalize.

I am so thankful for the guidance I get from everyone who posts here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig thank you this is good stuff!</p>
<p>I am not sure I can say why but I always think I can convert my critics into liking me and then it never works. I need to learn from my past experiences.</p>
<p>I do feel very blessed because a year into our launch I have had very few critics and the ones I have had I did not internalize.</p>
<p>I am so thankful for the guidance I get from everyone who posts here.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Donaldson</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/09/11/give-up-to-go-up-2-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-40186</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Donaldson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 19:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is tough.  I can go without googling myself, but
* Craving affirmation after you preach and
* Thinking you can convert your critics into liking you
those can get me.  
I don't preach as often, and at the same time, there are guys around me that communicate incredibly.  I catch myself preparing for the critique, instead of preparing for what God wants to share through me. Just one more killer emotional story and I am good.  I love when I know that inspite of my delivery, I just shared what God wanted me to share.
Then with my role on the Internet Campus, I have entered a new world of critique from people I have never met.  At first this was tiring because I wanted to explain to the antagonistic reporter, the disgruntled pastor, or the downright argumentative church member the heart of the matter.  I found out real quick they really didn't care!
Now the other piece of this reputation problem is convincing your loved ones to not take the criticism so personally.  If my wife reads something negative about me...or you Craig, it is go-time :).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is tough.  I can go without googling myself, but<br />
* Craving affirmation after you preach and<br />
* Thinking you can convert your critics into liking you<br />
those can get me.<br />
I don&#8217;t preach as often, and at the same time, there are guys around me that communicate incredibly.  I catch myself preparing for the critique, instead of preparing for what God wants to share through me. Just one more killer emotional story and I am good.  I love when I know that inspite of my delivery, I just shared what God wanted me to share.<br />
Then with my role on the Internet Campus, I have entered a new world of critique from people I have never met.  At first this was tiring because I wanted to explain to the antagonistic reporter, the disgruntled pastor, or the downright argumentative church member the heart of the matter.  I found out real quick they really didn&#8217;t care!<br />
Now the other piece of this reputation problem is convincing your loved ones to not take the criticism so personally.  If my wife reads something negative about me&#8230;or you Craig, it is go-time :).</p>
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		<title>By: John Atkinson</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Atkinson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 18:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I heard a pastor say once that if you stay true to the Word, then God will protect your reputation. I can say as a management staff pastor in a very large church who has had to deal with his fair share of criticism, that quote has proven to be completely true. That doesn't mean all the critics love me, it just means God has protected my reputation inspite of the critics. Thanks again for the awesome advice Craig. Nothing set me free like when I decided to quit arguing with my critics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I heard a pastor say once that if you stay true to the Word, then God will protect your reputation. I can say as a management staff pastor in a very large church who has had to deal with his fair share of criticism, that quote has proven to be completely true. That doesn&#8217;t mean all the critics love me, it just means God has protected my reputation inspite of the critics. Thanks again for the awesome advice Craig. Nothing set me free like when I decided to quit arguing with my critics.</p>
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		<title>By: Jose Noy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jose Noy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig,

This is a great blog.

Every leader will always be a target. Our reputation is not our but God's.

He knows what he is doing anyways.

J</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig,</p>
<p>This is a great blog.</p>
<p>Every leader will always be a target. Our reputation is not our but God&#8217;s.</p>
<p>He knows what he is doing anyways.</p>
<p>J</p>
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		<title>By: Jimmy Paravane</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/09/11/give-up-to-go-up-2-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-40164</link>
		<dc:creator>Jimmy Paravane</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 17:20:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>anne - Anybody that can't tell just by reading your stuff that you are true daughter of your Father, and would never, ever be close to being capable of being a false prophet of all things, well that person is just a big poopy-face! And so there! You definitely score way up there on my alien meter. You faithful servant you! I hope this made you feel better. Your blog does that for me a lot. Besides, guess what happens when you poke holes in a lampshade? (grin)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>anne - Anybody that can&#8217;t tell just by reading your stuff that you are true daughter of your Father, and would never, ever be close to being capable of being a false prophet of all things, well that person is just a big poopy-face! And so there! You definitely score way up there on my alien meter. You faithful servant you! I hope this made you feel better. Your blog does that for me a lot. Besides, guess what happens when you poke holes in a lampshade? (grin)</p>
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		<title>By: Craig Groeschel</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/09/11/give-up-to-go-up-2-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-40144</link>
		<dc:creator>Craig Groeschel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:57:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jarret, Glad this is helping. I agree, taking shots from our own is much more painful.

J.G., Welcome back. We've missed hearing from you.

Joe, You don't owe me anything. It is a dream come true for me to share with pastors. 

Scott, You are right!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jarret, Glad this is helping. I agree, taking shots from our own is much more painful.</p>
<p>J.G., Welcome back. We&#8217;ve missed hearing from you.</p>
<p>Joe, You don&#8217;t owe me anything. It is a dream come true for me to share with pastors. </p>
<p>Scott, You are right!</p>
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		<title>By: Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Misquoted and misunderstood, criticized by believers and non-believers, despised by people who don’t know you, 
despised by some who do know you...

Sounds a lot like Jesus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Misquoted and misunderstood, criticized by believers and non-believers, despised by people who don’t know you,<br />
despised by some who do know you&#8230;</p>
<p>Sounds a lot like Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Louthan</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/09/11/give-up-to-go-up-2-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-40136</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Louthan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:39:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Craig: Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.

You don't know this, but you are training me.

Thank you.  I owe you something.  God will tell me how to bless you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Craig: Thank you.  Thank you.  Thank you.</p>
<p>You don&#8217;t know this, but you are training me.</p>
<p>Thank you.  I owe you something.  God will tell me how to bless you.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin Bussey</title>
		<link>http://swerve.lifechurch.tv/2007/09/11/give-up-to-go-up-2-of-5/comment-page-1/#comment-40128</link>
		<dc:creator>Kevin Bussey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 15:16:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing that has helped me is having a sense of humor.  I don't have a problem making fun of myself.  After the $9K pay cut I held a sign up at a church event that said "will preach for food."  Then I told some friends that our church was going under, I just had my pay cut, but I got good news--I just saved money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.  

My recommendation:  LAUGH--a lot!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing that has helped me is having a sense of humor.  I don&#8217;t have a problem making fun of myself.  After the $9K pay cut I held a sign up at a church event that said &#8220;will preach for food.&#8221;  Then I told some friends that our church was going under, I just had my pay cut, but I got good news&#8211;I just saved money on my car insurance by switching to Geico.  </p>
<p>My recommendation:  LAUGH&#8211;a lot!</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When we realized that this life is not about us, we're able to do ministry more freely.  

That means not taking personal credit when something goes well, and not taking personal criticism when things go not so well... when we realize we're simply a tool that Christ chooses to use, it takes a lot of the people-pleasing pressure (say that three times fast) off our backs.   

In the end, the only oppinion that matters is Jesus. When we truly live in the security of who we are in Christ, losing control of our reputation doesn't seem so scary...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When we realized that this life is not about us, we&#8217;re able to do ministry more freely.  </p>
<p>That means not taking personal credit when something goes well, and not taking personal criticism when things go not so well&#8230; when we realize we&#8217;re simply a tool that Christ chooses to use, it takes a lot of the people-pleasing pressure (say that three times fast) off our backs.   </p>
<p>In the end, the only oppinion that matters is Jesus. When we truly live in the security of who we are in Christ, losing control of our reputation doesn&#8217;t seem so scary&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: J.G. Marking</title>
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		<dc:creator>J.G. Marking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 14:34:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amen, Craig.

In my experiences I've found that any time we step outside of the comfort zones of silence and relative obscurity and attempt to share a message to more than just a handful of our closest friends, we should almost always anticipate some form of either critique or dispute.

The hard part is separating our concern for how we appear to others from our concern about maintaining the integrity and relevancy of the message.

Ultimately, like you said, any time we put a great amount of focus and attention on our own reputation is usually a time that we can be certain that we have removed our focus off of Christ.

Thick skin can be a blessing, as long as we don't let ourselves become numb to the thoughts and feelings of others!

Thanks for the encouraging post, Craig.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amen, Craig.</p>
<p>In my experiences I&#8217;ve found that any time we step outside of the comfort zones of silence and relative obscurity and attempt to share a message to more than just a handful of our closest friends, we should almost always anticipate some form of either critique or dispute.</p>
<p>The hard part is separating our concern for how we appear to others from our concern about maintaining the integrity and relevancy of the message.</p>
<p>Ultimately, like you said, any time we put a great amount of focus and attention on our own reputation is usually a time that we can be certain that we have removed our focus off of Christ.</p>
<p>Thick skin can be a blessing, as long as we don&#8217;t let ourselves become numb to the thoughts and feelings of others!</p>
<p>Thanks for the encouraging post, Craig.</p>
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		<title>By: Jarret</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jarret</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Sep 2007 13:45:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This five part blog is such an encouragement to me.  I think I connect the most with the "critized by believers" line.  Criticism from unbelievers I have always handled well because I expect it.  The criticism from within hurts because for me I never seem to see it coming.    
Also the "internalizing of the hurt", it's hard to admit when you are wounded, but I have been "stepping out" and talking about it, and it feels good to know how much others care when they know you are hurting...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This five part blog is such an encouragement to me.  I think I connect the most with the &#8220;critized by believers&#8221; line.  Criticism from unbelievers I have always handled well because I expect it.  The criticism from within hurts because for me I never seem to see it coming.<br />
Also the &#8220;internalizing of the hurt&#8221;, it&#8217;s hard to admit when you are wounded, but I have been &#8220;stepping out&#8221; and talking about it, and it feels good to know how much others care when they know you are hurting&#8230;</p>
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